Comment on Norwegian Man Arrested for Playing Dorei to no Seikatsu

• TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s a little more than a drawing, it’s an h game literally about grooming an underaged abused child to have sex with you. It’s child pornography, the Norwegian government rightly recognizes it as such and it’s fucking disgusting.

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  • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine getting Nuremberg’ed for playing as Germany in HOI4

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    • KatakiY@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah sorry but people who jerk off to the pedo rape game are definitely pedos.

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      • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am a good thought haver and I signal this by telling everyone bad thought havers should be executed

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      • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And pedos deserve to be in jail because they looked played a game? Or in general? Shouldn’t we just save the taxpayer’s time and send them to the camps?

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      • delcaran@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You are right, but being a pedofile should not be a crime. It’s a sexual deviation from the norm, maybe a disgusting and/or dangerous deviation, but it’s nothing different than coprofilia.

        If the pedofile do not act on his/her desires and there is no illegal material or action involved, just let him/her be.

        Keep an I on him/her, of course, seek counseling, but act only of and when the perversion is growing out of control.

        Same thing with drugs: if you can afford them, good for you (and welcome to high society). If you can’t afford them and you screw your relationship over it, fuck you and seek counsel. But if you start to steal, kidnap, or hurt people in anyway, that’s where the line must be drawn.

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    • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      HOI4 is an interesting choice for an analogy here.

      It’s unanalagous in that HOI4 sanitized itself of the Holocaust specifically so people wouldn’t be able to roleplay committing xenophobic genocide, unlike the game in question which is specifically designed to let you roleplay a pedophile rapist preying on the already abused.

      However it is tangentially analogous in the sense that anime tends to have a bit of a Nazi bar issue with pedophilia thanks to people (who I’m gonna have to assume are well intentioned) unintentionally making room for pedophiles to exist and operate with arguments just like the ones you’re making here.

      Of course video games don’t cause violence. The only people interested in the pedophile rapist roleplay visual novel, though, are very likely people with an interest in pedophilia. The government is right to monitor and remove people who acquire CSAM instead of going to therapy from society and it isn’t overreach to protect children in this way. Is there a potential for such a system to be abused by the government? Yes, of course, but such is true of any system. Preventing government abuse and corruption is separate from stopping the distribution of CSAM and protecting children from predators.

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      • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s unanalagous in that HOI4 sanitized itself of the Holocaust specifically so people wouldn’t be able to roleplay committing xenophobic genocide, unlike the game in question which is specifically designed to let you roleplay a pedophile rapist preying on the already abused.

        Fair. Follow-up questions:

        1. If someone mods HOI4 to include aspects of the Holocaust and all the other Nazi stuff, does that make this particular copy of the game hate material? (IMO: it would be in areas where Nazi symbolism is banned, similar to how Norwegian law makes Dorei to no Seikatsu illegal there. People’s opinions on the material are irrelevant, it’s what the law of the land says)
        2. Conversely, if Dorei no Seikatsu hypothetically censors or tones down the graphic/explicit portions, but the story essentially remains the same, would it be considered CSAM in Norway?

        However it is tangentially analogous in the sense that anime tends to have a bit of a Nazi bar issue with pedophilia thanks to people (who I’m gonna have to assume are well intentioned) unintentionally making room for pedophiles to exist and operate with arguments just like the ones you’re making here.

        I see the concern that pedophiles continue to abuse children. There’s degrees of handling the problem, up to and including measures like Chat Control and Britain’s Online Safety Act. Now, do the people have the appetite to be subject to those measures?

        Which leads to…

        Preventing government abuse and corruption is separate from stopping the distribution of CSAM and protecting children from predators.

        I don’t trust governments eroding privacy and surveilling its people because of predators. They pass those types of measures with other goals in mind.

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      • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There is no shortage of real CSAM creators to go after. Shouldn’t we prioritize going after those people ahead of drawings of cartoon characters?

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