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• dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Windows you don’t have to think about it.

  To be fair, that’s only because most people are trained on windows first and use it for decades, so the annoying Windows quirks and defects have been embedded into you (their workarounds too).

  Nvidia is not easy on Linux

  I think this problem is mostly solved, for newer cards at least. But I guess I have to agree since older nvidia gpus will be stuck on the terrible old proprietary drivers (though idk maybe the older ones have better support because theyve been around).

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• udon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is terrible indeed, but I’d rather say that is because linux development is not focused enough on the desktop. KDE does a decent job out of the box, but still cracks in too many corners (still, after so many years…). GNOME looks cool but has terrible usability. People praise it for its design, but none of those people are designers or have any idea about design beyond color combinations. I know, your obscure other window manager is great and I will try it out soon.

  I’m a bit optimistic that things will get better eventually. We have a decent service manager now and half-standardized packaging solutions. It also seems like the biggest pain with X vs. Wayland is over. Things kind of work, but it’s far from a good desktop experience.

  Terrible still, but dude I’m happy I’m over here and not in one of the other camps right now.

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• Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I will remind you : Nvidia is not easy on Linux. And so far as my research it never has.

  So far for me, NVidia has been easier on Pop OS than on Windows. The proprietary NVidia driver comes pre-installed on Pop OS downloads (the ones intended for NVidia).

  If we compare from bare metal:

  Windows: download the OS, prepare the media, install the OS, look for the correct driver, download it, install it, make sure to avoid the unnecessary junk that comes with the driver.

  Pop OS: download the OS, prepare the media, install the OS.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    kde plasma, changing the explicit driver is not such an easy task. And have to manually mess around with nouveau

    Or have a card that needs the bios set before defaulting nvidia for plasma.

    stuff you never ever have to think about on windows.

    Linux is not something that works out of the box for every need.

    Not a stab on Linux but this is more of a stab at the fanbois really gotta back down from gatekeeping as this is what I find the cringiest about Linux user base. Which I’m part of now so I see it as my duty to call this shit out and tell them to knock it off. It is full on obnoxious.

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    • Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Got you, I understand now that you were more countering Linux fanbois than putting down Linux itself. In any case, I’m not sure I understand several of your points and would like to understand them better.

      Are you saying that you prefer KDE Plasma, so that Pop OS being based on Gnome is a non-starter? On a related note, if you haven’t yet, take a look at the Pop OS beta for their COSMIC desktop. It’s kind of in-between KDE and Gnome and written in Rust. It’s more like gnome, but has more features and allows more tweaking out of the gate. Plus it seems very fast. It’s pretty close to being released, I think I heard December 11th or some date around that?

      What do you mean about changing the explicit driver and manually messing around with nouveau? How about the bios setting part?

      I feel that Linux can work pretty well for a lot of people. Sure, nothing works for everyone though.

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      • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Kde plasma is imparative to run for some 3D simulation programs if you’re going to go Linux. Like you cannot run them in any other distro. Full stop. The kits for these licenses just aren’t widely built in Linux land. Lots of restrictions even by the software developers themselves. I learned this while troubleshooting with them directly.

        As such you can end up with a black screen of nothing if you haven’t forced the dynamic display (on new ROG system only) forced onto dGPU in order to force nvidia. and yet I don’t have to do this with MSI. That said , unlike the asus, MSI is too dumb to understand in dual boot to keep the safe boot unlocked if switching between windows and Linux.

        it’s not just Linux vs windows. It’s the motherboards. I was not expecting that going in but here we are.

        And I don’t know why any of this requires nouveau to be blacklisted but it does

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