Comment on Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash — "the fact that people are unimpressed ... is mindblowing to me"

Quazatron@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s sad that all of those things were solved problems 20 years ago.

  Like, Skype was usable on pretty much any computer with a webcam in 2006. Computers booted in a couple minutes with their spinning disk drives.

  The tech is faster, more reliable, higher resolution, etc, but the software is fucking ass.

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  • Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Using electron for seemingly every app will do that.

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    • RightEdofer@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Probably more to do with the fact that every app is now designed to gather as much data as possible to build an ad profile on you.

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    • markko@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I doubt that’s the issue on a PC with 64GB RAM.

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      • Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Ram isn’t the only issue. It’s the bloat it needs to load even to display a simple UI.

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• Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with mr

  This is not a typical experience, you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.

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  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.

    Windows, windows is the corruption you’re looking for.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s very funny to say, but Windows 11 boots faster than Linux on my disk boot machine. I do have full disk encryption on Linux tbf, but Windows is very fast from cold off to login screen.

      It’s a shit OS I’m forced to use for work, but it boots very quickly.

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  • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    His boot time in Linux says it’s not a hardware issue. Just sayin’

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is this “git gud”, victim blaming, or a mix of both?

    You’d think if there was a janky bit of gear in there

    1. Windows would tell you about it
    2. Linux would suck the same.

    Neither appear to be the case.

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    • Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Or perhaps it could be something other than malice?

      This person is putting up with a misbehavior they don’t have to live with. They’re presenting the perception that it’s due to the nature of the operating system.

      My Toyota engine dies when I idle, therefore all Toyotas and fundamentally flawed.

      Flawed logic, no? And yet, when it comes to tech, plenty of folks apply the same type of thought pattern.

      You’re right that one would think the issue is as it seems on the surface. Computers are actually a bit more complicated than that.

      One fail mode of memory is the occasional bit flip silently corrupting data in the background. As time goes on and new data is written to a disk, things can get weirder and weirder over time.

      We don’t know if Windows and Linux are sharing a physical disk (I hope for their sake they aren’t) and we don’t know how old the Linux deployment is, so it’s possible it hasn’t had the opportunity to get progressively messed up enough yet.

      Another key variable is that the Linux environment might not be interacting with every single piece of hardware, or that the structure of those interactions could result in symptoms manifesting differently or not at all.

      I’ve had situations where a MacBook’s keyboard and trackpad were completely functional in Linux and Windows, but absolutely dysfunctional in any MacOS based environment. The fix? Replacement trackpad cable.

      At the end of the day, the situation they’re describing is not common for the OS and indicates something is very wrong.

      A device with those symptoms coming through my shop is statistically likely to be leaving with replaced parts, a component level repair, or at the very least a complete OS and Driver reinstallation after passing extensive diagnostic testing and behavioral isolation.

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  • JohnSwanFromTheLough@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You’re right, I hate windows and especially 11 but even my shit spec work laptop running 11 boots to desktop in under a minute.

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• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Install an outbound firewall and be horrified by how much Windows phones home and how much telemetry it continuously exfiltrates without your consent.

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yup, and Linux probably boots faster. On my NVMe w/ full-disk encryption (not through the disk’s microcontroller, through an outside FS), I boot to desktop in like 5 sec or less, and the desktop is fully usable. If I want to launch a program, I type the name and hit enter, and it launches in a couple seconds.

  My M3 Mac is a little worse, since it gets confused about launching an app vs looking for a file, and it takes a bit longer to boot (20-30 seconds?).

  But my SO’s Windows machine is something else. It takes a minute or two to boot, and after that it takes a minute or two to “settle.” I have no idea what it’s doing, but I generally get up and get a drink or something when my SO asks me to get something pulled up. Why is it so crappy?

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  • xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    xxx@xxx:~$ systemd-analyze
    Startup finished in 1.514s (kernel) + 3.331s (userspace) = 4.846s 
    graphical.target reached after 3.328s in userspace.
    

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I completely trust Systemd to accurately report on itself, the same as I trust American cops to police themselves.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Back when I used a HDD in my laptop, I was able to get my boot down to 20s or so. I don’t understand what MS is doing…

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  • Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yup, and Linux probably boots faster.

    Someone once wrote something that compiled the Linux kernel on bootup with TinyC. Even this would be faster.

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• snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  FYI there’s a MS Teams client for Linux.

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• SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly. I still have to restart it every few days because memory management is shit.

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly.

    I admin several hundred Windows PCs so I’m pretty confident in saying that your computer is either a moldy potato, something is wrong with your hardware, or you have a very unusual software load. A modern Windows 10/11 desktop should go from power off to logon screen in < 30 seconds and from logon to desktop in < 30 seconds. Even an 8th Gen Core i5 with 8GB of RAM and a full stack of security software will meet those times.

    Whatever your problem is it ain’t “windows”…and I’m typing this comment from my home PC running Linux.

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    • alphabethunter@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My win 11 pc (decently modern Ryzen 5600G) used to boot in 10~20 seconds, and then suddenly was taking 10+ minutes to boot. The problem? An external hdd. Removed that and instantly went back to 10~20 seconds boot. The people above 100% are having some sort of issue and just don’t know.

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      • undrwater@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And Windows isn’t telling them. That’s part of the issue. If Cortana could tell them “this boot was slow because your video driver missed an update necessary for other system packages. Would you like me to show you how to fix that now?” that would be a win for your typical user.

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• tengkuizdihar@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  10 minutes??? Did Linux just won by literally doing its own thing?

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