Comment on Meta’s star AI scientist Yann LeCun plans to leave for own startup

• nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  LLMs are just fast sorting and probability, they have no way to ever develop novel ideas or comprehension

  And how do you think animal brains develop comprehension…?

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Animal brains have pliable neuron networks and synapses to build and persist new relationships between things. LLMs do not. This is why they can’t have novel or spontaneous ideation. They don’t “learn” anything, no matter what Sam Altman is pitching you.

    Now…if someone develops this ability, then they might be able to move more towards that…which is the point of this article and why the guy is leaving to start his own project doing this thing.

    So you sort of sarcastically answered your own stupid question 🤌

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    • nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Animal brains have pliable neuron networks and synapses to build and persist new relationships between things. LLMs do not. This is why they can’t have novel or spontaneous ideation

      This Nobel prize winner seems to disagree with you.

      Neural nets do indeed learn new relationships. Maybe you are thinking of the fact that most architectures require training to be a separate process from interacting; that is not the case for all architectures.

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      • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        From your own linked paper:

        To design a neural long-term memory module, we need a model that can encode the abstraction of the past history into its parameters. An example of this can be LLMs that are shown to be memorizing their training data [98, 96, 61]. Therefore, a simple idea is to train a neural network and expect it to memorize its training data. Memorization, however, has almost always been known as an undesirable phenomena in neural networks as it limits the model generalization [7], causes privacy concerns [98], and so results in poor performance at test time. Moreover, the memorization of the training data might not be helpful at test time, in which the data might be out-of-distribution. We argue that, we need an online meta-model that learns how to memorize/forget the data at test time. In this setup, the model is learning a function that is capable of memorization, but it is not overfitting to the training data, resulting in a better generalization at test time.

        Literally what I just said. This is specifically addressing the problem I mentioned, and goes on further to exacting specificity on why it does not exist in production tools for the general public (it’ll never make money, and it’s slow, honestly). In fact, there is a minor argument later on that developing a separate supporting system negates even referring to the outcome as an LLM, and the supported referenced papers linked at the bottom dig even deeper into the exact thing I mentioned on the limitations of said models used in this way.

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• communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  blog.google/…/google-gemma-ai-cancer-therapy-disc… how did it do this?

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lol 🤣 I’m SO EMBARRASSED. You’re totally right and understand these things better than me after reading a GOOGLE BLOG ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT.

    I’ll speak to this topic again since I’ve clearly been tested with your knowledge from a Google Blog.

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    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      yes, google reported about their ai discovering a novel cancer treatment, of course they did?

      now tell me about how it isn’t true.

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      • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I sure do. Knowledge, and being in the space for a decade.

        Here’s a fun one: go ask your LLM why it can’t create novel ideas, it’ll tell you right away 🤣🤣🤣🤣

        LLMs have ZERO intentional logic that allow it to even comprehend an idea, let alone craft a new one and create relationships between others.

        I can already tell from your tone you’re mostly driven by bullshit PR hype from people like Sam Altman , and are an “AI” fanboy, so I won’t waste my time arguing with you. You’re in love with human-made logic loops and datasets, bruh. There is, and never was, a way for any of it to become some supreme being of ideas and knowledge. You’re drunk on Kool-Aid, kiddo.

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wow a corporate press release? The peak of science!!! jfc.

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    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It doesn’t have to be to invalidate the claim. It proposed a novel hypothesis, this is the easiest thing to check in the world.

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