I honestly have no issue there. My issue is the claim that such atrocities don’t happen in democratic institutions.
I can’t recall any democratic countries, fragile or not, that can hold a candle to the atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin.
Can you point out the equivalent that we should look at in this case of whataboutism? Since we’re talking about millions being killed by Joseph Stalin, what are the comparables?
Before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin’s regime were 20 million or higher.[5][6][7] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[8][9][10][11][12] around 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[13][14][15] some 390,000[16] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[17] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[18] According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were “purposive” while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility.[2] The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[19] persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 are sometimes included with the victims of the Stalin era.[2][20] - wikipedia
So being generous we’ll go high and say 10 million
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), around 9 million people die annually from hunger and malnutrition, mostly in regions where capitalist-driven global inequality has made basic necessities unaffordable or inaccessible.
So less in a year due to capitalism (ignoring wars and whatnot) than the total of Stalin. But also dealing with huge differences in populations involved. Both seem pretty shitty if you ask me.
Like, I could look at ICE raids and their obvious purpose of terrorizing the immigrant community, but I have a feeling you’re the type of bootlicker that thinks those actions are justified.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why do lemmy.ml users get hysterical when Joseph Stalin is described accurately?
Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I honestly have no issue there. My issue is the claim that such atrocities don’t happen in democratic institutions.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t recall any democratic countries, fragile or not, that can hold a candle to the atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin.
Can you point out the equivalent that we should look at in this case of whataboutism? Since we’re talking about millions being killed by Joseph Stalin, what are the comparables?
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
So being generous we’ll go high and say 10 million
So less in a year due to capitalism (ignoring wars and whatnot) than the total of Stalin. But also dealing with huge differences in populations involved. Both seem pretty shitty if you ask me.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But that’s the point, they don’t.
flandish@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
lol. have you seen how child labor works? or banana republics? or coups? or prison labor? or slavery?
come on now. stop being a thick moron.
Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You sure?
Really?
How sure?
Like, I could look at ICE raids and their obvious purpose of terrorizing the immigrant community, but I have a feeling you’re the type of bootlicker that thinks those actions are justified.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
well, if ML users could read, you would know that OP made no such claims.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
because they’re Tankies
Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Keep making assumptions.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
At this point, ml username is a choice. To be a tankie.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
fuck off, tankie swine
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
correct assumptions.