Comment on NHS staff who visit patients at home say St George’s flags can mean ‘no-go zones’

• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How come this suddenly changed? People have flown the national flags for decades from their house and weren’t racist

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  • J_on_LemmyML@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We had a bunch of them paint the flags on walls, road and bins near me. Which cost the council money to clean up.

    Nothing screams I love this country like putting it on bins where people put rubbish or the roads where cars will drive over it

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Peak council estate behaviour

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  • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is a good question.

    It changed because the statement people hung the flag for decades is entirely recent history. Anyone over 50 knows it is not the case,

    It is true of the union jack. Although since Victorian times not hugely so and often seen as tacky. But the St Georges flag dropped from use before the 1980s.

    The reason is pretty clear. From about the mid 1800 most major English political parties have been unionist. It is a part of the Tory party name. But all 3 major parties and most smaller parties in England have been unionist.

    We have no major England separation party. Whereas the other 3 nations all have such parties. Calls for England as an independent nation. Have never had a majority following.

    As such the flag of England dropped out of use in the mid 1800s. As the main parties were successfully pushing the Union Jack as the main flag for England. In an attempt to diminish the separation parties of other nations. And no vocal group in the nation of England was opposing the lose.

    As such when the National Front. Then BNP etc etc started to use the St Georges flag as a call to remove all non white from the UK. Opposition was very much directed at the ideals. Not the use of a flag few felt a link to.

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  • anothermember@feddit.uk ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s always been a sign that you’re a bit of a pillock to be honest, I don’t think it’s changed much in my lifetime.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      From what I heard, if you fly it you’re a racist and if you deny you are a racist you are just lying because we know you are a racist because you are flying st George’s cross because everyone who flies st George’s cross is a racist. Bit circular reasoning.

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      • anothermember@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think you’re missing the nuance here, flying the flag alone doesn’t make you a racist, but if it’s become culturally associated with racism then it’s a data-point that can build up that picture.

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  • Chais@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Weren’t they? If I see someone flying a German or Bavarian flag I automatically assume they’re racists.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A present day german flag isn’t racist. The Bavarian flag doesn’t appear to be racist either. Why do you assume they are racist?

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      • Chais@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve learned to be highly skeptical patriotism in general, because it’s a fertile breeding ground for racism and fascism.
        My reasoning being that, except in very few cases, those flying the flag had no hand in them being whatever nationality they are flying the flag of. They were simply born there. Thus any pride they take in the accomplishments of that nation is completely unearned, again with very few exceptions.
        This unearned pride often leads to them taking personal offence at critique of “their” nation, even if it’s warranted.
        Additionally their perception of what that nation is and represents is often anchored in the past, in the best case, or in euphemised half-truths and outright fabrications, in the worst case. This results in them acting as either a conservative force, in that best case, or start slipping into fascism. Because that’s what happens when you believe your country is perfect, can do no wrong and everything would be much better if everyone were just like you.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This isn’t a sudden change that’s been the case for as long as I can remember. The BNP started doing it in the 60s so it’s not exactly a recent thing

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