The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.
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Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks agoChina has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole “Chinese surveillance state” myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded “social credit score” system and they literally don’t know what it is, it’s just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It’s all projection with China.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
The original comment is specifically about comparing China to the west, hence discussing “who should win the AI race”. I’m responding to that comparison
hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Hah, you’re so freaking original, mate! I bet nobody ever here heard of that one!
But sure: on June 3rd, 1989, after weeks of protests in Beijing (not in all of China), some violent western-funded protestors murdered some PLA soldiers. Violence ensued (funnily enough outside Tiananmen Square, despite what western state propaganda tells you) and some people died in clashes between police/military and protestors. Ultimately, a western-backed colour revolution was averted, and thankfully the Chinese government still exists, providing the world with 95ish% of the solar photovoltaic production :)
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
murdered some PLA soldiers
people died in clashes between police/military and protestors
In the Xinhai Revolution, they killed Qing troops. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
So now “violence bad”? I thought y’all are advocating for Americans to overthow the US regime. So… is violence okay or no?
I’m gonna quote your leader:
革命无罪，造反有理！
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
You’re not quoting my leader, I’m a Spaniard.
So now “violence bad”? I thought y’all are advocating for Americans to overthow the US regime
Violence in itself isn’t great, but it can be justified depending on the degree and the goals. Seeing how China saved 800 million people from poverty over 30 years, I think some violence consequence of disturbances isn’t unjustifiable, although can be criticized. The US on the other hand murders 500.000 people abroad yearly since 1970 through economic sanctions and blockades, so I think violence to remove this regime could be justified.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Unlike western media, famously owned by altruistic people like sociopath Palantir collaborator Zuckerberg, or Twitter being owned by a literal sieg-heiling Nazi.
You can see the censorship by opening Russia Today in the EU and seeing how all Russian media has been banned, such freedom of speech and anti censorship in the west, threatening to ban Tiktok because it’s not controlled by American corpos! Surely no censorship on Reddit either or YouTube!!
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Ah yes, the west is a shitshow, so that somehow makes anything China can do ok.
You are going to live under China, better do something to make sure we SURVIVE.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
The original comment I responded to was comparing the west to China and saying that the reason why China shouldn’t win is because it’s more repressive. I explained how that’s not the case, so me comparing to the west is relevant in this instance
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
that still doesn’t absolve what china does.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
The original comment I responded to was saying “we don’t want China to win because it’s very repressive”. If the west turns out to be at least as repressive, this argument disappears, which was my entire point.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China has higher government approval rates than any western country
This is how we know you are arguing in bad faith.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I’ve directed the Master’s and Bachelor’s thesis of several Chinese students here in Europe, and literally all of them except one have returned to China because life there is better. The one who stayed, personally told me that he used to be Chinese opposition, but after some years in Europe seeing the shitshow we have and the impending rise of fascism, he’s not as critical of the Chinese government anymore.
Your sample is biased: you’ve only spoken to the Chinese émigrés, so you’re suffering from survivor bias.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
sounds like the ones who pledged allegiance to the party.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Sure, buddy, everyone who reinforces your worldview from your limited sample is a true Chinese testimony, but the 99% of Chinese who choose to stay In China are the brainwashed hivemind.