What badge number? They won’t do that. They need demasking.
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days agoEh, I’m fine with them wearing masks. I’m not fine with them breaking the law and not being accountable. If they wear masks, they need to be ready to show ID and recite their badge number.
Zephorah@discuss.online 4 days ago
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Every officer has a badge number that uniquely identifies then, and they are legally required to provide that information. When filing a complaint or a lawsuit, you’ll provide their name and badge number. If they refuse, you provide as much information as you can (area, time of day, type of vehicle, vehicle number, other officers and badge numbers involved, etc) so they can track the officer down.
I don’t know how ICE works specifically, but many police departments require their officers to carry business cards with that information and hand them out upon request.
Civilians have a right to verify that the people involved are actually officers and have a right to identify individual offices to report misconduct.
I don’t care if officers wear masks, I only care that they can be uniquely identified.
czech@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Have you ever seen an example of an ICE agent sharing a badge number on video from this year?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Have you seen an instance where a citizen or legal immigrant calmly asked for name and badge number and was refused?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 days ago
No, they are law enforcement and should be readily identifiable the community they serve. Including their face. Also being masked makes it harder for the people they’re interacting with to understand what they’re saying. They lose all the non-verbal communication that comes from the face. Them being masked has absolutely zero upside to the public.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I don’t think this is necessary. What does seeing an officer’s face do that a name and badge number doesn’t? What about undercover cops? What about the winter when it’s cold?
I think it should only be required that they declare on what authority they’re acting when making official actions, like a stop, detainment, or arrest. They should give their name and badge number upon request, in a form that works for the asker (written or verbal, asker’s preference).
If we ban law enforcement from wearing masks, that opens the door to banning masks in public. I get that police should follow higher standards, but IMO the rules should merely be that police must self identify in a way the public knows they’re legitimate law enforcement when using the authority of their position.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 days ago
Witnesses who are too far away to see their identification can still see their face to ID them. Undercover cops are a different situation than what ICE is doing and really shouldn’t be making arrests IMO. In winter they can take their mask off to interact with people.
It doesn’t. The general public doesn’t need to be identifiable at all times like cops do.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Sure, I just don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to require at all times.
Instead, the public should be free to approach to a safe distance to film, and then attempt to talk with law enforcement when safe. A police officer is required to identify themselves to the suspect due to the fourth amendment. Whether they are required to identify themselves to the public is up to local law, court precedent, and agency policy.
Neither do. Police only need to be identifiable when using their authority, such as when making an arrest or dealing with protests, and in the latter case, only agency affiliation is necessary.