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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Have you seen an instance where a citizen or legal immigrant calmly asked for name and badge number and was refused?

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czech@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Yes I have. There are only videos of people asking for badge numbers without getting a response. There are none where a badge number is given.

My point was that we need to see their faces because they will not identify themselves. Thats a big problem if we ever pull ourselves out of this; they will attempt to rejoin society like nothing happdened after illegally brutalizing american citizens. We need to know who the traitors are.

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  There are only videos of people asking for badge numbers without getting a response.
  
  Are these suspects or protestors? Because the videos I’ve seen are protestors. Police must reveal their identity to suspects due to the fourth amendment, but not to the general public.
  
  My point is suspects have a right to know who their accusers are. Whether they share that with others (and they should) is up to them. Having the public know their identities just opens them up to vigilante justice, having suspect know their identities keeps them accountable to the rule of law.
  
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  - czech@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Both. But if you’re “arresting” a protester haven’t they become a defacto suspect? Or are they arresting protesters for other reasons?
    
    All other law enforcment in america is maskless. Why would ICE need special protections from vigilate justice?
    
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    sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    But if you’re “arresting” a protester haven’t they become a defacto suspect?
    
    Yes, if you’re detained or arrested, you have the right to know the name and badge number of the person detaining or arresting you.
    
    The videos I’ve seen aren’t that, they’re merely protesters asking on behalf of someone else. If there is a video where it’s clear that someone being detained or arrested by police isn’t given that information, then I’d be very interested because that would be a pretty clear-cut 4th amendment violation.
    
    All other law enforcment in america is maskless
    
    SWAT wears masks.
    
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