With their mask-wearing they’re practically advertising their methods. We should take the clue. Everyone still has their COVID masks, right?
Comment on ICE's 'Frightening' Facial Recognition App is Scanning US Citizens Without Their Consent
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.
These guys need de-masking.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
Not the point. As long as they remain masked there will be no accountability.
survirtual@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Facial recognition can use nose bridge characteristics, eye distance, eye angle, eye color, etc.
Gait detection can also fingerprint.
Document everything and there will be accountability.
If possible, use a zoom lens and get closeups of their eyes. They are unique signatures.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Eh, I’m fine with them wearing masks. I’m not fine with them breaking the law and not being accountable. If they wear masks, they need to be ready to show ID and recite their badge number.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 months ago
No, they are law enforcement and should be readily identifiable the community they serve. Including their face. Also being masked makes it harder for the people they’re interacting with to understand what they’re saying. They lose all the non-verbal communication that comes from the face. Them being masked has absolutely zero upside to the public.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Including their face.
I don’t think this is necessary. What does seeing an officer’s face do that a name and badge number doesn’t? What about undercover cops? What about the winter when it’s cold?
I think it should only be required that they declare on what authority they’re acting when making official actions, like a stop, detainment, or arrest. They should give their name and badge number upon request, in a form that works for the asker (written or verbal, asker’s preference).
If we ban law enforcement from wearing masks, that opens the door to banning masks in public. I get that police should follow higher standards, but IMO the rules should merely be that police must self identify in a way the public knows they’re legitimate law enforcement when using the authority of their position.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Witnesses who are too far away to see their identification can still see their face to ID them. Undercover cops are a different situation than what ICE is doing and really shouldn’t be making arrests IMO. In winter they can take their mask off to interact with people.
If we ban law enforcement from wearing masks, that opens the door to banning masks in public.
It doesn’t. The general public doesn’t need to be identifiable at all times like cops do.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
What badge number? They won’t do that. They need demasking.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Every officer has a badge number that uniquely identifies then, and they are legally required to provide that information. When filing a complaint or a lawsuit, you’ll provide their name and badge number. If they refuse, you provide as much information as you can (area, time of day, type of vehicle, vehicle number, other officers and badge numbers involved, etc) so they can track the officer down.
I don’t know how ICE works specifically, but many police departments require their officers to carry business cards with that information and hand them out upon request.
Civilians have a right to verify that the people involved are actually officers and have a right to identify individual offices to report misconduct.
I don’t care if officers wear masks, I only care that they can be uniquely identified.
czech@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Have you ever seen an example of an ICE agent sharing a badge number on video from this year?
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
We will never get there while they are anonymous. The path to prison starts with de-masking.
You can’t prosecute what has no identification.
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Every single one of them has a timecard they’re punching with a name, collective punishment against the entire agency should be on the table.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
Again though, until you connect their actions on the street, to a face, prosecution will never be possible.
The need unmasking, on the street.