The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn’t to Proton’s benefit to correct that.
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Those who used it imagined Swiss law to be less intrusive? I suppose it sounds like a good idea to anyone, which is mostly everyone, who doesn’t know Swiss law.
Yeah, they rolled over to the authority, as expected. But, they sold themselves as “private”, not “private up to the extent of Swiss law, and our laws here are very intrusive, so really the private part isn’t going to get anyone very far if they use this service for anything slightly questionable, let alone outright illegal. You might as well be using GMail for how ‘private’ this thing is.”
mjr@infosec.pub 1 week ago
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It is called deception. All email providers in Switzerland have to follow Swiss Privacy laws.
This is no different than companies advertising licensed and bonded when every company legally has been licensed and bonded. Note that this practice of advertising what is required by law is actually illegal in a lot of places.
They sold a convenient lie and got rich doing so. Now we get to sit here on Lemmy and watch them try to justify another corporations shiting on them while giving them more money. The Proton defenders are a special kind of stupid.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 week ago
they sold themselves as “private”, not "private up to the extent of Swiss law
No, they sold themselves as “private up to the extent of Swiss law”.
mjr@infosec.pub 1 week ago
Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton’s site. I can find ‘your privacy comes first’. I didn’t find ‘up to the extent of Swiss law’ yet.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Here you go: proton.me/mail
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
Under the first one that mentions privacy ( Highest standards of privacy) it says:
Proton is incorporated and headquartered in Switzerland, meaning your data is protected by some of the world’s strictest privacy laws.
The entirety of their reasoning behind their claim of “Highest standards of privacy” is the basis of Swiss Law and literally nothing else.
mjr@infosec.pub 1 week ago
Here you go: proton.me/mail
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
I don’t find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
Why would I do that? My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed ‘your privacy came first’ without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law. It was not in their interest to explain that the Swiss courts can order them to track and shop French climate activists.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 1 week ago
Their service IS private. Their service is not anonymous, and they never claim it is. Privacy does not equal anonymity, and I wish you people would get that through your thick skulls and stop criticizing someone for doing the exact same thing you would do, in their position.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nice, this proton apologist knows what everyone would do in their position.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 1 week ago
yeah, I totally believe you would go to prison for a random person. in fact, all of us are stupid enough to believe that bullshit. so noble. so principled. a true paragon.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Originally the CEO said they would pack up and leave Switzerland if the government continued its course.
So apparently there is more than just one option.
Hey, I get it. When you put all your eggs in one basket you are committed. Personally I don’t commit to any corporation, especially ones that try to sell “privacy”.