Comment on With how shitty some Christians are, you really have to wonder if Lucifer or Satan is truly "evil"
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
I mean, Lucifer is an angel who questioned the system. We know that statistically, there is a chance he is right and everyone else is wrong. Based on my observations of humanity, the chance of the minority being right is higher.
TheFogan@programming.dev 6 days ago
Honestly to me the whole concept of Lucifer as written in the bible to me, makes me question the whole thing.
like 5 year old me was like “OK wait so how is this guy so stupid that he thinks that he went to battle against god, is he really stupid, everyone knows god is 100% perfectly all powerful”, then you think further and realize literally lucifer was supposedly like the closest angel to god, if anyone has a solid view on gods power, it’s him. Which honestly points to the idea that god… isn’t immortal, isn’t all powerful etc… he just uses that lie as a crux to prevent people from threatening him.
Honestly the story of the tower of babel cements that even more. Now first of all if you’ve heard this story from christians… get rid of the pre-conception because usually preachers etc remove a lot of what is actually in the text, and add things that aren’t there. The story is not about stupid men trying to build a stairway to heaven.
The story as written, in short, man was amazingly unified, world peace was achieved. They were building the tower as an enormous landmark so basically people could see their city from wherever they were, as well as just a testament to what they could accomplish when they worked together.
God looks down at it and says "wow, look at these humans, when they work together, they can accomplish anything they set their mind to. They keep this up and they would be as powerful as gods. To which, god saw that as a credible threat, and so he smashed the tower, spread them all out, and made them speak different languages. Ensuring that they would be too busy fighting eachother rather then becoming a potential threat to him later.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 6 days ago
"can be" vs. "should be". But yes, the god of the Torah is a jealous god. I mean, he flat-out says, "you shall have no other gods before me". Not, "no other gods exist", or "you can't respect other gods". Just, none before him. Which says that while he might be omniscient and omnipotent, he's not the only god who is so.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Like, he literally sends Moses’ follower to do a sorcery battle with the priests of the gods of Egypt. They’re both able to turn their staffs into serpents, which implies they’re both getting divine help. But Yahweh had the bigger serpent (could this be any more on the nose?), so was proven to be the more potent god.
yeather@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
This is interpreted both ways. The “original” Cult of Yahweh view saw the god Yahweh as El, the head god of the Canaanite pantheon. Later, after the Cult of Yahweh became old Judaism, the comandment was reinterpreted as Yahweh being the only god jews should worship, and then later as the only God, since any other divine being worshipped by others would not be God.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 days ago
I recall as a kid being told most of the angels rebelled with Lucy. That was told in the perspective that God was all powerful to put down the superior numbers. As an adult its more like bro?? Wtf 75% rebelled?
TheFogan@programming.dev 6 days ago
lol yeah one of those things that is attempted to be fanfic to make him seem stronger… but in the end it does the exact opposite. If most the people on your side rebel, you either made or recruited very evil people that thought you looked weak. Or you were doing things that they found horendous enough they’d rather make a futile attempt and accept the cost of failure then take part in whatever you are doing.
bilgamesch@feddit.org 5 days ago
The old testament - in many parts - as well as other ancient “religious” texts, is the passed down reflection of humans on the process of “civilizing” themselves during the late neolithic period. It’s all there, beginning with the end of their life as hunter-gatherers and the emergence of diseases of civilization, the hardship and suffering that came along with the “gift” they got that is learning how to cultivate land.
It’s been the complete loss of everything that made up human life for the largest part of our (pre-)history, suddenly gone, because we literally “tasted the fruit”.