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bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

There are 200 countries and the US is one relatively small, isolated pocket making terrible decisions and hurting themselves. Many countries hurt themselves and the US is just one of them.

US problems benefit their rivals immensely and is influencing their allies to become more independent and form new local alliances, there’s no benefit to anyone to long jump into one isolated hornet’s nest.

Sanctions are specifically difficult against the US because 1) they’re largely hurting themselves, most countries don’t agree the US is doing the wrong thing about Palestine/ foreign/other policy to warrant sanctions and 2) the US has so much, albeit dwindling, legacy political and financial/banking influence that sanctions won’t make much of an impact.

If your dog starts defecating on the floor and rolling around in it, you clean up your dog.

If your neighbor starts defecating on their floor and rolling around in it, well…

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Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How the fuck do you consider one of the largest countries, in literally every physical, economical, military, and basically every other metric… Small?

The fuck crack are you smoking. Cause that’s some good shit.

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- shawn1122@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The US certainly punches above its weight economically and militaristically. But its population is still a fraction of the global population and while it has wealth and lots of weapons, the rest of the world absolutely does have a say in how important we let it be.
  
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- bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The world is muvh, much bigger than one sparsely populated country, and there are far more important metrics than the physical size of the US.
  
  Metrics like population, geographic isolation, health care, political instability, violent crime, countless others that define a country, mark the US as an entity to be safely disregarded.
  
  Thailand passed the US in health care years ago, China passed the US in renewable and next-gen tech, not to mention manufacturing, most countries citizens enjoy much more robust civil rights.
  
  Yes, the physical country is large, but the US is s small, insecure, violent pocket of the world that people don’t need to pay nearly as much attention to as its groupies demand.
  
  The US looks very tiny from out here, and even tinier from the inside after seeing some of the rest of the world.
  
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EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The last time the US enacted global tariffs, it created the Great Depression, which hit the entire globe and was one of the major contributing factors to the Nazis rise to power. What happens here might only be hurting Americans and killing American minorities at the moment, but the psychotic demagogue in charge here will have real international repercussions soon enough. Honestly though, I think the tariffs have done what international sanctions couldn’t do, which is help convince some of Trump’s cult that he’s the one hurting them. Sanctions would just let him blame the outside world.

You should keep in mind, it will take time for everybody else to truly divest themselves of the orange shit-gibbon and all the corporations based here, and that means time in which the fan spraying shit can turn towards Europe.

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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
putin benefits from countries becoming isolationists to some sort. so russia can eventually take over ukraine, and move onto other former soviet block countries.

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birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
dog if you think the US is “relatively small”

look at what Nazi Germany, an even “smaller” country did – it started a world war and nearly took over an entire continent.

the fascist US, with a much larger influence, is an existential threat to the world.

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- shawn1122@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The US is small on a global scale but certainly big enough to destroy the world.
  
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  - Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The third most populated country is small in terms of population?
    
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    shawn1122@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    When theres 195 countries and they only male up 4% of the global population? Yes.
    
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- NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The US is an existential threat to Canada and countries in the Americas that MAGA has bones to pick with. Maybe also Iran. The vast majority of the world is mostly safe, because America has no interest and/or capability to start shit there. For your Germany example, Hitler made it clear exactly what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf.
  
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  - birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    To us Europeans, the US also feels like a threat because it means an ally less against Russia.
    
    You’re extremely naïve if you think the rest of the world is safe.
    
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    NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So the US is a threat because... it might not help Europe? That's not really how the word "threat" works, setting aside how Russia isn't even a military threat to non-Ukraine Europe in the first place assuming the EU's mutual defense mechanism holds.
    
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- bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The US looks bigger and more influential from the inside. Its tantrums look tiny and rambunctious from out here.
  
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  - EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Key words: so far.
    
    The last time the US enacted global tariffs, it caused the Great Depression.
    
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  - BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Sounding extremely privileged.
    
    Without doxxing yourself, what country are you from to say something like that and be assured you are safe from U.S. influence and shenanigans?
    
    I’m being serious. I want to move away and be safe with you over there.
    
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    bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There are no failsafe safety assurances anywhere, but some places are safer and more comfortable than others.
    
    I’m originally from the US and have mostly been living abroad for over a decade since I left over many of the issues US Americans still deal with today
    
    Perspective on the US is much more clear from the outside.
    
    If you’d like to live abroad, I can definitely help you do that with information and advice, I’ve helped several other Americans move abroad.
    
    tldr is get a passport, secure $500 USD in monthly income (English teaching is currently in high demand), buy a plane ticket.
    
    Someone from the US I’ve been offering advice to this year literally left the US today based on that tldr.
    
    I’m very happy to go into details and supply more context for anybody interested in living abroad.
    
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  - birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    i think the most dangerous mistake one can make is to underestimate the power of a military budget that’s almost half that of the world’s military budget.
    
    such mistakes can be made only once before the country gets couped or taken hostage by the US.
    
    in these times i think it’s important to band together and set aside our differences!
    
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    CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What do you expect other countries to do? A preemptive strike?
    
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    tortina_original@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t think you understand where US military power was coming from. It was not just the money, it was the ability to project that power easily (having bases in Europe, etc for example).
    
    That was the ‘soft power’ everyone was talking about. Orange mongoloid had now destroyed that and I don’t think it’s coming abxk any time soon.
    
    Everyone is basically letting idiots destroy themselves and watching their moves. There is nothing anyone else can do right now.
    
    Except Chinese and Russians. They are rolling on the floor laughing…
    
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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
…you call for a welfare check on them? I mean, clearly there’s some mental issues going on with your neighbor.

But what are you going to do? Go over there yourself??? Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Easy buddy. This is America. They probably have a gun, and are already proven to be mentally unstable! Plus, they’re covered in shit! I just cleaned my dog. I don’t want to smell MORE shit!

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- bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yup, that’s basically what has happened.
  
  Political leaders and journalists have visited and done “welfare checks” on the US, and came to the same conclusions you just have.
  
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z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
And when your neighbor starts defecating in your house and also all your other neighbors houses and also onto their own wife and children in plain view of everyone else, daring them to do something all while their armies and aircraft carriers point in every direction including at themselves?

I think the answer is still you do nothing. But man would I like to be wrong on this one.

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- bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Do yu mean Russia? Their attacks have resulted in external military buildup near borders, NATO assurances, local military alliances.
  
  Russia’s aggression directly harms and threatens other nearby countries.
  
  Different measures for different circumstances.
  
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  - Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    thier propaganda machine mostly is working better than thier military. backed right wing governments into supporting things russia wants to happen(anti-immigration, wokeness, racism,etc)
    
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  - z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Sure. I’m not trying to say the US and Russia are equivalent in the volume nor nature of how they implement imperialist and domestic violence (though there are increasingly more similarities as of late). But I perceive the US as a crazed madman with as many arms as Shiva and has amassed more weapons than anyone else, with a gun pointed at the head of everyone in every direction, including at it’s own head. I also view other imperialist nations as having a similar psychosis going on, just with a few less arms and very different origin stories as to how they got there.
    
    I’m just saying telling everybody it’s solely up to the nation to clean up its own mess is, while correct, way too simplistic. I admittedly don’t know how we solve it though, and I’m cynical enough to believe most of us don’t have an answer, and even if we did, we wouldn’t have a strong enough consensus and momentum to pull it off. Hence why I believe nothing will be done.
    
    We, the citizens in these imperialist nations are both slaves and skavemasters, with guns pointed to our heads, by both nation states and corporations, they don’t just control whether we live or die, they hold our hearts in their hands, ready to squeeze out our humanity and empathy at their discretion until we look in the mirror and mistake the monsters we have become as the best humanity has to offer.
    
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    bitofarambler@crazypeople.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thanks. I appreciate simple, correct solutions and I understand why emotional investment and habit makes those solutions difficult to accept and implement.
    
    If you take a step outside of your situation, it will quickly become apparent that the grip you believe others hold you in is largely insubstantial and based on empty proclamations and threats. Magnates can plead for your attention, but you don’t have to give it to them(climb a mountain, play video games), your government can scream for your taxes and you don’t have to hand them over(IRS form 2555, foreign earned income exclusion).
    
    The world is huge and no matter how important someone demands you think they are, they’re wrong.
    
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