Comment on ‘There isn’t really another choice:’ Signal chief explains why the encrypted messenger relies on AWS

• SMillerNL@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Scale, they need worldwide coverage.

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The big 3 also offer disgustingly fast interconnection. Google, Amazon and Microsoft lay their own undersea fiber for better performance.

    If willing to sacrifice a bit of everything, OVH has North-American and European locations, as well as one in India, one in Singapore and one in Australia. They’re building a few more in India, one in Dubai, two in Africa, one in NZ and 3 in South America. Once they add a few more on top of those, that’s damn near worldwide coverage too. And OVH is a French company, so the US government has less leverage over it than Amazon.

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  • Count042@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And yet a single availability zone in AWS caused an outage?

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    • SMillerNL@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes, because scale is not the same as redundancy.

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• neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Those are the only 3 that matter at the top tier/enterprise class of infrastructure. Oracle could be considered as well for nuanced/specialized deployments that are (largely) Oracle DB heavy; but AWS is so far ahead of Azure and GCP from a tooling standpoint it’s not even worth considering the other two if AWS is on the table.

  It’s so bad with other cloud providers that ones like Azure offers insane discounts on their MSSQL DB (basically “free”) licensing just to use them over AWS. Sometimes the cost savings are worth it, but you take a usability and infrastructure cost by using anything other than AWS.

  I honestly, legitimately, wish there was some other cloud provider out there that could do what AWS can do, but they don’t exist. Anyone else is a pale imitation from a devops perspective. It sucks. There should be other real competitors, especially to the US based cloud companies as the US cannot be trusted anymore, but they just don’t exist without taking a huge hit in terms of tools, APIs, and reliability options, to AWS.

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  • ObsidianZed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I always wondered why people don’t implement a multi-cloud infrastructure if they want/need extra HA. And I know Oracle offers a solution with Azure and GCP, with AWS on the horizon. Not to advertise for Oracle because they’re terrible otherwise, but I can’t imagine wanting a multi-cloud option and not consider them.

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    • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Multi cloud is very difficult to do well.

      Multi region is already hard enough with transactional management not being easy to split between the regions, and multi-cloud is another order of magnitude more difficult than multi region.

      With that said, use2 and others were still up, so if they were just multi region and failed over to east2 they would have been fine.

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