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• ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  A customer of hooters can’t force the server to continue to be sexualized

  Ask a victim of sexual assault how they feel about that statement.

  And the point is if your goal of going to hooters is to bend the rules as far as you can, just get your fix some other way.

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  • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t see how you conclude that e.g. the man in the post plans to bend the rules at all.

    The rest of your comment is disappointing. You know that I didn’t mean that a customer can’t sexually assault a server or former server. I meant that if the server quits, they are not longer being sexualized as part of their job and unless people are fucking creeps, their former employment should continue to sexualize them.

    Also well it is a regrettable career. That doesn’t mean you have to regret it. But it is certainly regrettable like any other career. And women like Mia Khalifa have expressed regret in the past and yet while she was expressing regret, porn videos of her were widely available and consumed. That is what I was talking about. Not that the career is always ending in regret.

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    • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      But it is certainly regrettable like any other career.

      Ok. So we’ve confirmed that it’s a career. I think taking on the concept of whether or not porn should be stored in a permanent medium is outside the scope of this conversation. It’s currently a valid career for men and women, and (assuming it’s all produced above board), there are plenty of systems in place to protect the people involved.

      Hooters operates in a grey area. They obviously drive customers to their locations with sex appeal (though I actually like their wings personally), but there’s a fuzzy line around what is and is not okay in that scenario. Their own employee agreement has this to say:

      • My job duties require I wear the designated Hooters Girl uniform.
      • My job duties require that I interact with and entertain the customers.
      • The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and entertaining conversations are commonplace.

      Even the company won’t delineate what “joking” means. If a patron makes a “joke” that makes a server super uncomfortable what are her options? Confront the customer and lose her tip? Quit her job? That’s a lot of financial strain just to feel comfortable at your job. I don’t think Hooters as an establishment should be shut down, but I think bragging about ogling the women should be a little frowned upon.

      The language in the post indicates that he’s clearly ashamed of what he’s doing. He’s misleading his wife and speaks in euphemism. So whatever he actually does there, he at least thinks other people will think it’s creepy.

      I think leaving a review like this just demonstrates a lack of problem solving skills or some sexual repression which is kind of sad. There are other, better ways to get your rocks off than Hooters if that’s really all you’re there for.

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      • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I think it is rather questionable to express that any of the real world practices of the porn industry is “outside the scope” when judging the real world practices of hooters. I think it is shameful that hooters doesn’t have very clear guidelines. I think it is shameful to make “jokes” that could make someone uncomfortable in such a dynamic. And okay, the man is probably lying to his wife and speaks in vague terms. He probably wants to look at the servers, but does he do more? That is your assumption. Understandable one but an assumption. So let’s grant that he makes weird jokes to the servers. Is he really less of a creep when he would watching Mia Khalifa porn? Of course, as Mia probably wouldn’t know that he specifically is watching, he would cause less harm in a sense, but the question is not harm reduction but being a creep.

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