Comment on Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2021...'has reached end of support' warning (?!)

• AnyOldName3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Legally, it isn’t. The DMCA (and compatible laws in non-US countries, which those countries have to have or they’re not allowed a trade deal, and not having a trade deal with the US is devastating for an economy) doesn’t require copyright holders to do anything to defend their copyright. It does make it illegal to do (nearly) anything with copyrighted media that you don’t have explicit permission to do from the copyright holder (there are some exceptions, but people generally think they go further than they really do). It also makes it illegal to do (nearly) anything to circumvent DRM, even if you have a legal right to use the thing that the DRM is protecting, no matter how crappy the DRM is and how easily it can be bypassed.

  You’re allowed to think that the law is stupid (it’s the DMCA - everyone who looks at it and isn’t a multibillion dollar publishing company thinks it’s stupid), but that doesn’t mean that it’s not the law, and for legal terms like piracy, you can’t just substitute your own definition based on what should be legal if it conflicts with the definition that says what really is legal.

  The reason why non-crap DRM exists when there’s no legal reason to make it not crap is the same reason why DRM exists at all when there’s no legal reason to have DRM at all when piracy of DRM-free stuff is already a crime. It’s that publishers think that the more of a hassle it is to pirate things, the more likely people are to buy things legally. Technically, a shareholder could sue a company for using crap DRM that failed to protect their IP, but the company has a decent defence by saying that they felt that intrusive DRM would hurt their reputation with legitimate customers, so not using strong DRM is not grounds to say a company’s been negligent and liable for any losses they make due to piracy.

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  • nullroot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I thought activation scripts were somewhat of a grey area legally?

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The script is legal. Not paying for software that requires you to pay is illegal.

      It’s like DeCSS code that strips drm from DVDs was legally grey but downloading movies you didn’t pay for is illegal.

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    • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      No, they’re illegal several times over as you’ve got to pirate the thing in the first place to end up in a situation where you need one, and then they’re inherently a DRM circumvention device, which are illegal to possess, and then using them circumvents DRM, which is illegal to do. The upside is that you’re unlikely to be caught.

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      • nullroot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        We’re talking about Windows ltsc aren’t we? microsoft.com/…/download-windows-11-iot-enterpris… the ISO is freely available on Microsofts website.

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• Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its not my responsibility to close all their doors that are accessible to the public.

  It’s not your responsibility to close the doors, but it is your responsibility not to walk in an open door and take something that’s not yours

  As a US citizen, I’m liable for my own negligence and/or ignorance.

  Yep, and that negligence/ignorance you’re liable for in this case is piracy.

  You’re welcome to disagree with a bad law (and make no mistake, I absolutely think it’s a bad law), but you’re still liable for breaking laws you don’t agree with. By all means break it, but don’t pretend you’re not breaking it, and make sure you take reasonable precautions to keep yourself safe while doing so.

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  • 11111one11111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re welcome to disagree with a bad law

    You’re picking up what im putting down lol. Didn’t mean to say I was disagreeing with what youre saying just in this case especially:

    It’s not your responsibility to close the doors, but it is your responsibility not to walk in an open door and take something that’s not yours

    Where I’ve paid for each new pc build to just have a blank slate and not carry over my digital footprint for microsoft from one build to the next. Also, tho, im not taking what isnt already mine, im just using a work around for dealing with microsoft’s atrocious customer service.

    Again, not saying this will hold up in a court of law, jist saying I dont lose any sleep over it.

    Bonus rationalization: fuckin outlooks locked in and un-adjustable junk mail filters have auto filtered Microsoft own emails for upcoming annual Office invoices to my junk folder that I used to rarely check before getting slammed with over a $100 charge for Office eliminating my ability to use the email reminders as notification to cancel my subscription cuz even if you paid for a year of Office but wanna cancel a month into the year so you dont forget, microsoft says naaaaaaa you lose the remaining 11 months of paid software access.

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