Flipside is EU trying to enforce GDPR and such
Comment on 4chan fined $26K for refusing to assess risks under UK Online Safety Act
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
If you’re ok with this then imagine your local lemmy instance getting fined by China/Qatar/Thailand/etc for posting something breaking their laws.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
echodot@feddit.uk 16 hours ago
GDPR can only be enforced if the business wants to continue to do business in Europe. There are lots of non-European businesses that do not enforce GDPR rules but they can’t sell products or services in Europe.
But of course 4chan doesn’t sell any products or services anywhere, it’s not a business, so it’s a bit hard to see exactly how this could be enforced.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
It’s selling 4chan passes, yeah it’s a thing unfortunately
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Gross Domestic… Projekt Red?
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
T’was a poorly-marked joke.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
If they operate in China then it seems legit. If they don’t operate in China it’s a non issue.
This might be stupid, but the corollary of your statement is that a sovereign nation can’t impose laws on foreign business…
That what you want?
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Unironically yes. Otherwise the internet as we know it is very much over, and what we have instead is a mesh of country-nets.
I mean, what is actually “doing business” when it comes a simple web page or a forum for example? Merely existing and being reachable.
theneverfox@pawb.social 15 hours ago
Yeah, and a county could say “you can’t do business in our county anymore” and block them
A country can ban dildos, but they don’t get to tell a foreign factory they can’t make dildos. If an importer orders dildos anyways, that’s between the importer and customs. Which in this case the importer is the ISP
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Otherwise the internet as we know it is very much over, and what we have instead is a mesh of country-nets.
which, TBH, doesn’t seem so bad to me. as an european, i’m personally sick of all the sick (as in, unwell) culture from america swapping over via the internet and poisoning people’s minds.
i mean, all the culture war is literally instigated by american capitalists to disrupt society and to disrupt the people’s coherence, to make them weaker and therefore easier to exploit.
If it wasn’t for continuous exposure to american influence, europe would long have drastic left-wing political reforms, i guess.
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Oh yes, because it’s not like Nigel Farage, Victor Orban and a bunch of other populists didn’t make use of US companies and advisors (and russian funds…) on how to best fracture societies to their end. Clearly nuking the internet would put an end to that, and all would be well.
pogmommy@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
My server is in the corned of my bedroom. How the hell can I be operating in China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Brazil, Norway, or The UK if my bedroom is in none of those countries?
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
That’s kind of exactly my point? If China came to you and said you owe us fines, why would you voluntarily do so?
mr_satan@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Yes. You can impose as much laws as you can enforce them. Don’t want your citizens to buy anything from me, stop shipments at your border. Want to stop payments, talk to your banks. Want to stop access to my servers, block them at your routers.
Why the fuck should I enforce your rules for you? You made them, you figure out how you will make them work.
you being the UK government, in this case.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
You shouldn’t… As you said, how are they going to make you?
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Why would a local Lemmy instance ever pay a fine to China?
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Fine the phone company for allowing calls they don’t like.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Fuck yes, fine the phone companies who allow these spoofed phone number scammers to reach me. (/s… Mostly)
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Actually they should close that loophole.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
More likely than dining then for calls I don’t want to get they they facilitate by selling my data. Linda of like the scale car warrantee mail you get because the DMV sold your data.