@FreedomAdvocate @IzzyJ because you can't establish whether they're in the country illegally without a fair trial.
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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks agoI’m curious why you think someone who entered the country illegally deserves a “fair trial” when they’re in the country illegally?
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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks ago
Yes you can lol. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Our law- rightly- operates on the basis or natural rights. Endowed by their creator, and inalienable. Do you know what that means? It means rights aren’t something given to you by the constitution, you are born with them just for being a person, and they cannot be taken away. If we have a right to fair trial, so does everyone who ever lived, whether they got them is just a matter of how oppressive their governments were. Illegal immigrants are people and thus have natural rights.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks ago
You don’t have a right to a “fair trial” for not being able to prove you’re a citizen or have a valid visa to be in the country though lol. This doesn’t need a trial because there’s nothing to argue, nothing in question. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t even make sense. A trial is where you’d find out whether or not you’d be able to prove it. Are you suggesting weresupposed to not assume innocence if they don’t have an idea in them at the time of detainment, because that’s a right too
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks ago
You know that police can check citizenship on these things called computers, right? When the police ask if you have a drivers license, they already know if you have one or not, and even if it’s expired.