Comment on New Vaccine Can Completely Reverse Autoimmune Diseases Like Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes, and Crohn’s Disease

• wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just spiteful. And ironic if you really want to claim to care about public health

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  • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Science isn’t a religion. It’s a process. In the case of the covid vaccines, that process was intentionally minimized as to bring the vaccine to market faster.

    The vaccine did have benefits. It also had complications that instead of being found out in trials were found out after release. Just because it’s called a vaccine doesn’t mean its safe.

    You can be anti-this-particular-vaccine without being anti-all-vaccines.

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    • jimbo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It also had complications that instead of being found out in trials were found out after release.

      Few of which were serious, and the ones that were serious weren’t any more common than the rare serious side effects of previous vaccines.

      Just because it’s called a vaccine doesn’t mean its safe.

      Well they were/are safe, so I don’t know what your point is.

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There were side effects that were serious. The vaccines and boosters effected different age groups differently. Some age groups were more likely to develop serious side effects.

        Covid effected different age groups differently. Some age groups were more likely to develop serious complications.

        In the instances where the risk of serious side effect was more likely than the risk of serious complication, at least one of the boosters was more likely to be bad for the patient.

        If it is more likely to cause harm, I can understand not wanting to take that version.

        My point is it’s ok to refuse medicine based on medical evidence.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      By refusing COViD vaccine despite DLL evidence showing it safe and effective, you put others in danger. I agree on being spiteful: you endanger me and my family because you don’t trust science , then you don’t deserve the personal benefit of science treating your auto-immune disease

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I didn’t refuse the vaccine. Get the fuck out of here.

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    • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I wish I didn’t have to encounter people like you. You give medical science a bad name, and anti vaxers confidence.

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How do I give medical science a bad name? Do I speak for the field?

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They did not skimp on the process with the Covid vaccines. Not with the big ones like Moderna or Pfizer, anyway. They accelerated the process, but they did not skip steps. They did steps in parallel.

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Agreed. I misremembered what the issue was. It’s been a second.

        The issue was balancing risk of serious side effect versus risk of serious complication.

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    • wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I believe the COVID vaccine trials were the largest ever done, or close. And most of the “complications” were simply the same issues of “long COVID” but scaled down significantly

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Forgive my ignorance on the subject. Instead of reading studies directly, I used the opinions of doctors quoting studies to inform my opinions. If memory serves, for the first booster, it was more likely that young men would develop serious complications from the vaccine booster than if they developed covid instead. I think they were heart complications.

        So if a drug is shown to be more detrimental than helpful, why is it bad to refuse it, or ask for a different drug, or for more investigation?

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just spiteful.

    Wanting to have two seperate conversations about two seperate vaccines is “spiteful”? Really?

    And ironic if you really want to claim to care about public health

    And I do care about public health, allot. For the record, I’m fully vaccinated.

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• Polar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You don’t want to get a vaccine to help others + yourself, you shouldn’t be allowed to “believe in science” when it benefits you and only you.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Such a non-sequitur answer. And for the record, I’m fully vaccinated.

    Go somewhere else to talk about your favorite vaccine. Don’t derail this conversation about a completely different vaccine.

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    • Polar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t DERAIL this conversation about a completely different vaccine.

      I was replying to a question. Please follow the context thread, or go away.

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      • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Don’t DERAIL this conversation about a completely different vaccine.

        I was replying to a question. Please follow the context thread, or go away.

        Here’s what you said, context wise …

        Unpopular opinion: Anyone who refused the COVID vaccine should be banned from getting this.

        You weren’t responding to a question, you were just offering your own opinion, an opinion that was different from the topic and the context of the conversation being discussed, and hence my reply to you, calling you out for it.

        You’re being intellectually dishonest.

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