Comment on Why does the GOP think “ANTIFA” is bad?
6nk06@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong
Republicans do not agree.
If so please give me examples and FACTS
It’s a religion, they have faith which is more powerful than facts.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Which is asinine, right?
Which is what?? (Religion)
I am a practicing Christian and this does NOT align with any of our views.
Greddan@feddit.org 21 hours ago
With you already being in a cult, you should be able to empathise with these people. They believe what they believe because they’ve been told to. Questioning that comes with consequences from the rest of the cult.
When someone calls you a fucking idiot for worshiping some old storm god from a long dead bronze age religion who has had more “prophets” than most people have had pimples, you know how they feel when you question their delusions.
ProIsh@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I’m sure this person isn’t trying to be mean. But fuck this is spot on.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I do not! My church does not preach to KILL anyone! Especially in the reality of today, the fuck you mean… that’s insane and would be a “cult” just because I have religion doesn’t mean I am in a cult. But cool thinking.
That’s like saying, “I want free healthcare for all” and “you” people call us “socialists and communists” not knowing the difference. My religion doesn’t push down women’s rights, doesn’t care who you love, does not put the RICH before the people they “serve”, so you putting us all in ONE BOX, is asinine thinking!
Again, my religion had NOTHING to do with who I voted for… I honestly would rather have a smart person in power who ACTUALLY understands laws, bills, vetos, and the difference, like Bernie… he fought for civil rights LEGIT FOUGHT for civil rights while the bitches in power would piss their pants in the same spot! So NO my religion has NOTHING to do with my smarts and understanding…
I have degrees (and many PHD friends some who believe and some do not), but you trying to make me feel small and stupid because of my beliefs is ridiculous, who are you to say where we go after we die? We are all made of energy and who are YOU to say where my energy goes when we die? Or you die, or anyone?
Energy goes SOMEWHERE and NO ONE has “scientifically” PROVED where it goes when we all die, so who are you to say religion is a cult?! So maybe you are “a stupid idiot” because NO ONE has stated that comment to me and I have atheist friends…
Greddan@feddit.org 19 hours ago
You completely misunderstood my whole argument and instead of thinking about it for a minute, you reacted like many MAGA-cultists would. I’m not surprised since this how you have been conditioned to react, probably since childhood. Maybe one day it will click with you. Until then, I’m really very happy you are no longer working as a teacher.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 20 hours ago
Nah, religion is stupid
It’s really that simple
You’re in a cult, it’s just one that has been around for a while and has lots of members
Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
While I understand the aggressive anti religious sentiment I also emphasize with your beliefs so perhaps a different way of phrasing it:
The link to religion is not so much on right or wrong but accepting or not. I’d I understand your context than your church teaches accepting and empathy.
This is not a universal, objective “correct” thing! You, and me as well, feel these values as right and choose to defend them. But there’s no nature law enforcing this.
And now the opposite as true as well. By having a peer group which is self reinforcing people can come to the belief that there are people who are worth less. Or evil. Or dumb.
Now the step to fascism is only a small one: my nation is best, my leader is best, etc.
If belief gets strong enough than objective discussion can’t take place anymore - both for things that we connotate positive as well as negative.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Yeah people get nasty about it without any concern whether it makes them look like exactly the kind of dogmatic zealots they think they are fighting against. I am not religious in any way, but I always found it funny how certain vocal athiests will insist only fools would choose to believe in something they cannot see, and claim they know there is no god or anything beyond the natural world they see, because nobody can possibly prove otherwise, while also being unable or unwilling to stand their ground in any philosophical conversations about the nature of our senses and perceptions, or of reality or consciousness itself.
I am of the opinion that such absolute certainty in something fundamentally unknowable represents a form of faith and belief no more valid or less valid than any religious belief. I’ll also assert there’s absolutely nothing wrong with holding such a belief, it’s even a belief I personally share, but you if you are being intellectually honest you need to admit it is a belief, based on no particular conclusive facts. It’s a belief in a thing that is beyond the reach of any kind of evidence that might be found in our present context, not an automatic default position everyone must assume unless proven otherwise. It’s as much of an assumption as anything else. I fail to see why anyone wouldn’t consider agnosticism is not a more “natural” default position than athiesm.
If on the other hand they want athiesm to be a religion itself, where potentially unwilling people are told what (not) to believe by people of authority who have written impressive and stern books about it which must not be questioned whether they provide any actually reliable evidence that it is so, instead of just letting people see the (lack of) potential evidence and then make up their own minds to believe whatever they want to believe, then I would be pleased to welcome the Church of Evangelical Athiesm to the already rich and extensive tapestry of various religious organizations convincing themselves they’re trying to do good in the world.
Beliefs are a choice. You can pick and choose. Most reasonable people, including “athiests” and “Christians” do that already, and I think this is the point that many militant athiests refuse to understand. They immediately assume the worst of every “Christian” based on a predetermined idea of what they believe without ever asking. That’s yet another form of belief.
You can still believe in a “Christian God” when you understand that the organization of the Church is a system created by humans and the Bible is a book written and interpreted and translated by humans. The whole point of belief is that you still get to believe what you want, and you don’t have to believe what you don’t want. It’s not a monolith, even if the Church tells you it is. It’s personal, and other people don’t get to decide whether a person gets to call themselves a Christian or not. Other Christians might decide you’re not. They might disagree. But there’s nothing in particular that makes them any more right about that, than they are about stoning gays.
I recommend athiests and Christians alike judge people by their beliefs, actions and attitudes, and how much those align with your own, not by whether they call themselves athiests or Christian or not. Sorry, I know it’s so much more convenient to just judge people by a label. Simple, easy, clean. But you have to look deeper than that, life not a simple thing, and if you think it is, you’re probably oversimplifying it.
mikenurre@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The ‘Prosperity Gospel’ does not align with Christian views. But it exists to allow “Christians” (heavy reliance on those quotes) to believe that having immense wealth is a sign that they are one of the chosen. These are the types of mental gymnastics certain people utilize to allow horrible anti-Christian behavior. Soon enough, you see Republicans having a little prayer session before they give massive tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy while taking health care away from millions.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
They are using religion to gain what THEY WANT… bottom line. But here we are giving an airbase to Muslims… honestly. Couldn’t care less…
But how do other MAGA “Christians” feel?!
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 21 hours ago
Sure it does
Religions serve to give people a reason to think they’re better than others, that they’re a part of a special group
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Don’t need religion to hit religion levels of that with equivalent ease.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I get whatever you’re saying (but honestly just accepting your opinion and moving on) but you do realize that… I have NO hate… regardless of anything and just want an understanding… but here YOU are with hate… (ironic for you right)?
Jesus “was born by a surrogate” since she was a virgin…
And homie had two dads right…? I get the Bible has a bunch of stuff… but bottom line… this Christian belief stated such. And I cannot complain because things have happened to me and family that only a “miracle” could have happened, and I mean numerous times…
And it’s hypocritical, just like reality, politics, and life. But my church and I believe everyone is life regardless but I get what you are saying… but I am not a part of a church like that!
And honestly, NOT all Christians feel the same and I REFUSE to stop being Christian… because of lack of understanding of what happened in reality and give up morals, especially while Trump, Kirk, and Miller use it to push THEIR monstrous agenda! (READ PROJECT 2025- ENTIRELY— then COMMENT— until then no thank you, it’s fucking the “Handsmaid’s Tale”!!). It’s fucking terrifying and that bald dude Miller is going to kill us all! (I say this every day but you can’t trust a dude whose hair hated him so much it fucking left his body and his height was right behind him!)
They/You can keep trying to push that agenda via religion but I REFUSE TO BE THAT NAIVE! The GOP are pushing THEIR agenda to Evangelists and “DUMB” people believing it!
But the REAL ISSUE IS PROJECT 2025, read it or forever be dumb!
Ps: All “Christians” are the “same”, you have free Christians (like me), Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals (the people jumping to hump Trump who held a Bible upside down and clearly isn’t preaching moral as he’s a pedophile…
Regardless of religion, it comes down to PROJECT 2025 and people “voted” for it.