Comment on The Great Software Quality Collapse: How We Normalized Catastrophe

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Definitely part of it. The other part is soooo many companies hire shit idiots out of college. Sure, they have a degree, but they’ve barely understood the concept of deep logic for four years in many cases, and virtually zero experience with ANY major framework or library.

  Then, dumb management puts them on tasks they’re not qualified for, add on that Agile development means “don’t solve any problem you don’t have to” for some fools, and… the result is the entire industry becomes full of functionally idiots.

  It’s the same problem with late-stage capitalism… Executives focus on money over longevity and the economy becomes way more tumultuous. The industry focuses way too hard on “move fast and break things” than making quality, and … here we are.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Shit idiots with enthusiasm could be trained, mentored, molded into assets for the company.

    Ala an apprenticeship structure or something similar, like how you need X years before you’re a journeyman at many hands on trades.

    But uh, nope, C suite could order something like that be implemented at any time.

    They don’t though.

    Because that would make next quarter projections not look as good.

    And because that would require actual leadership.

    This used to be how things largely worked in the software industry.

    But, as with many other industries, now finance runs everything, and they’re trapped in a system of their own making… but its not really trapped, because… they’ll still get a golden parachute no matter what happens, everyone else suffers, so that’s fine.

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    • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly. I don’t know why I’m being downvoted for describing the thing we all agree happens…

      I don’t blame the students for not being seasoned professionals. I clearly blame the executives that constantly replace seasoned engineers with fresh hires they don’t have to pay as much.

      Then everyone surprise pikachu faces when crap is the result… Functionally idiots is absolutely correct for the reality we’re all staring at. I am directly part of this industry, so this is more meant as honest retrospective than baseless namecalling. What happens these days is idiotry.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep, literal, functional idiots, as in, they keep doing easily provably as stupid things, mainly because they are too stubborn to admit they could be wrong about anything.

        I used to be part of this industry, and I bailed, because the ratio of higher ups that I encountered anywhere, who were competent at their jobs vs arrogant lying assholes was about 1:9.

        Corpo tech culture is fucked.

        Makes me wanna chip in a little with a Johnny Silverhand solo.

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  • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My hot take : lots of projects would benefit from a traditional project management cycle instead of trying to force Agile on every projects.

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    • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Agile SHOULD have a lot of the things ‘traditional’ management looks for! Though so many, including many college teachers I’ve heard, think of it way too strictly.

      It’s just the time scale shrinks as necessary for specific deliverable goals instead of the whole product… instead of having a design for the whole thing from top to bottom, you start with a good overview and implement general arch to service what load you’ll need. Then you break down the tasks, and solve the problems more and more and yadda yadda…

      IMO, the people that think Agile Development means only implement the bare minimum … are part of the complete fucking idiot portion of the industry.

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      • Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Funny how agile seems to mean different things to different people.

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      • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Agile was the cool new thing years back and has been abused and misused and now, pretty much every dev company force it on their team but do whatever the fuck they want.

        Agile should have a lot of traditional project management but doesn’t because it became the MBA wet dream of metrics. And when metrics become the target, people will do whatever they need to do to meet the metrics instead of actually progressing the project.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s “disrupting the industry” or “revolutionizing the way we do things” these days. The “move fast and break things” slogan has too much of a stink to it now.

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    • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Probably because all the dummies are finally realizing it’s a fucking stupid slogan that’s constantly being misinterpreted from what it’s supposed to mean. lol (as if the dummies even realize it has a more logical interpretation…)

      Now if only they would complete the maturation process and realize all of the tech bro bullshit runs counter to good engineering or business…

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• JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  True, but this is a reaction to companies discarding their employees at the drop of a hat, and only for “increasing YoY profit”.

  It is a defense mechanism that has now become cultural in a huge amount of countries.

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• HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It seems to be just accepted that everyone is going to jump to another company every couple years (usually due to companies not giving adequate raises).

  Well. I did the last jump because the quality was so bad.

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