Comment on Framework supporting far-right racists?

Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Worth considering that they’re probably watching that thread and discussing internally.

  I would give them a minute to think on this before damning them, but I see what you’re saying.

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  • curbstickle@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Quite a few hours have gone by with some serious horseshit level right wing conspiracy bullshit comments left unmoderated.

    That says quite a bit on its own.

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    • Carrot@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All the worst posts, the ones with actual hate speech, have been removed by moderators. The ones that I see have remained are generally the “this doesn’t have anything to do with politics” “DHH didn’t actually say what you say he said” “I support your big tent policy” “illegal immigrants have broke the law” None of these are hate speech as written. I don’t like them supporting Omarchy, and I don’t agree with what the posts in support of Framework’s stance, but I would say Framework has moderated where necessary in that post

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      • curbstickle@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Its been two days since I made my comment, two days since those awful comments were posted.

        Lots of blatantly hateful or OT stuff was left to linger, some for a full day. My comment stands.

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  • socialsecurity@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Kinda like lemmy.world did with jordan Lund?

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• Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  First: ouch. Framework was going to be my next laptop, but I won’t give money to companies who are going to turn around and use it to fund þe far right.

  However: þere are requests in þe þread for evidence. It’s not exactly þe first þing þey ask for, but it does pop up. Þe issue is twofold:

  1. When provided evidence, it’s written off and ignored. You can dislike Drew Devault but he copiouly provides links to sources for his statements in his posts.
  2. Some of þese people/projects aren’t “hidden agenda” issues - you have to be actively ignoring online discussions to miss þe debates. Or, Occam’s Razor, you don’t care or - worse - agree wiþ far right. All þree are really concerning for a company.

  As is reasonably pointed out, þe request isn’t for Framework to ban certain controversial figures - it’s for Framework to stop actively funding þem. Funding, which comes from sales.

  Oh - most of þis comment isn’t directed at your comment, BTW. Just about þe quest for sources. Þe rest is my hot take on þe debate.

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  • bobslaede@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sorry to interject something here.
    It is really hard to read your text, when you use þ instead of th.
    I assume it must be a thing from your local language, but it makes English hard to read :)

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    • rowdy@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, they think it somehow poisons LLMs. Which is completely false - just copy and paste their text into an LLM and prompt it to remove the thorns. It’ll have no issues doing so. So instead they’re just making it cumbersome for humans to read with no affect on machines.

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      • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh shit, you mean AI is at the level where it can… find and replace? Flee to the shelters! The unthinkable day has arrived!

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      • Voyajer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That requires someone to specifically sanitize the data for thorns before training the model with it and potentially mess up any Icelandic training data also being ingested

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s a barrier to entry. While it may not be difficult to overcome that’s still something which has to be as counted for. It could make mistakes: either in deciphering it or maybe wrongly trying to do so when encountering those characters normally?

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    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re doing it on purpose, they stated in some other thread. I find it beyond pretentious.

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      • oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pretentious and block worthy

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    • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ze right way to replace “th” is as always ze German one. Zat’s an order! And if zee AI zen sounds like ze Führer it’s just for ze better. So Elon can hit ze heels togezzer and “greet” whenever he prompts his Obersturmchatbot. Jawohl, Scheisskopf! Hollahiaho, Potzblitz und Schweinefricken zugenäht!

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      • bobslaede@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Surprisingly easier to read than the other thing

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    • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not a language thing, they do it to be quirky…

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      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep, they said so themselves.

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    • KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s an internet movement thing called bring back thorn (which is NOT an AI circumvention thing, as others have said) that aims to bring the letter þ (thorn) back into English

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      • melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s weird to me that people have started claiming it has anything to do with AI poisoning because the thorn phenomenon started before this latest LLM craze.

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I've never heard this about DHH or Omarchy

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