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Comment on The demise of Flash didn't bring any big HTML5/JS equivalent for watching animations; fast internet and better video compression made those types of animations become raster videos as well

CovfefeKills@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Nostalgia goggles in effect. Flash was crap while every other tech caught up and surpassed it. Even today CSS/HTML is replacing Javascript in their area simply because people realize it has gotten that good. People acting like there is no alternatives but in reality people just gave up on that stuff as everything became reddit, twitter, youtube and facebook. The HTML5 stack has always surpassed Flash there is no excuse for the dickheads in this thread acting otherwise. WebGL2 WebASM? I recently made a tool that uses the Web Bluetooth API thingy. Javascript frameworks compare to Flash. You cannot compare the modern web tech you don’t bother with to Flash but you could compare it to Phaser.js.

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ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My nostalgic sigh is about animations that became rasterized videos, thus losing any chance at being interactive or hiding easter eggs.

I am glad we no longer have sites made in pure flash, but now we have different stupid shit that also blocks back/forward navigation, fucks up scroll bars, hogs the CPU and crashes the browser for no good reason.

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- paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Those last things you listed were all true of Flash too:
  
  Back forward buttons, working in a flash site?
  
  Scroll bars? Same thing.
  
  CPU usage? Same thing. (See: phone performance.)
  
  Crashes? It was the number one cause of crashes as reported by Apple when looking at their Safari crash logs. This was true of many plugins of that style from back in the day.
  
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  - ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I know, which is why I mentioned them. We got rid of flash, but people were so fucking nostalgic for the worst parts that they put it all back into their JS frameworks
    
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PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You are wrong. You probably never used it. There is no such tools to develop apps like was possible with flash.

The argument that you can do with x technology today the same thing makes no sense. Today you have to be a skilled programer to do the same stuff and it might still work worse today as it did back then.

HTML5 is nowhere near as capable. Webgl . Is there a graphical tool to use it? JavaScript tool? Dumbass Lottie files tools that cost 20$ per month and suck.

And if you were a good programer in flash/flex, you could build apps just as stable as you can today.

It’s stupid that tech like this doesn’t exist. Except for dumbass Rive - again 45$ per month and it sucks

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- leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  HTML5 is nowhere near as capable. Webgl . Is there a graphical tool to use it? JavaScript tool?
  
  How about p5.js…?
  
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  - PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s just a web ide. Flash was a vector tool where you could for animate and also code.
    
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    leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s not an UDE; p5.js is a programming language (originally based on Processing) intended to be easy to learn, and focused on making it easy for non-programmers to create art.
    
    You can use it to make anything you could make with Flash, and more.
    
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