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Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 months agoNo, this is just Double Genocide Theory, and is a form of Holocaust trivialization. The Nazis brutally oppressed the working class and created a system of industrialized mass murder, the communists oppressed the capitalists and doubled life expectancies, tripled literacy rates, provided free and high quality eduaction and healthcare, and far more.
The idea that the Soviets were anywhere close to as evil as the Nazis requires erasing the Holocaust, and equating the suffering of the small portion of society as the capitalists and Tsarists to the large working class in Germany, both groups were victims in their respective countries but clearly the brutality of the Tsarists and capitalists against the working class is what earned the revolution in the first place.
I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
The Nazis brutally oppressed the working class
Can you please elaborate on this? I thought the Nazi party was great for the German economy, taking the country out of a great recession. Nothing I learned hinted at the german population having it bad, the “only” problem was killing on an industrial scale.
Thr Nazis murdered KPD members and other union organizers, that was how they came into power. They also massacred Jewish people, disabled people, queer people, etc. They came into power as an answer to “Judeo-Bolshevism,” they didn’t simply want power for the sake of power, but to protect private capital.
Famines due to incompetence or mismanagement.
You’re equating famines that were a combination of mismanagement and weather disasters in undeveloped countries with the deliberate and intentional industrialized mass murder machine that was the Holocaust. Clear false equivalence. Further, famine was common in Russia, China, etc pre-socialism, and were eradicated once the communists successfully developed industrialized agriculture. The Nazis on the other hand had extermination as their goal.
Paragone@lemmy.world 5 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933
6-7 million lives exterminated seems significant, to me.
Holodomor was a significant part of that, targetting Ukraine.
The same Ukraine that Putin’s trying to genocide to “de-nazify”.
Evil’s evil, & tends to have the same kind of intent, recurringly.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
The 1930s famine in the Soviet Union wasn’t anything intentional, but was the result of adverse weather conditions combined with kulaks destroying grain and livestock rather than let their property be collectivized and benefit the workers they exploited for centuries. Tragic, yes, evil? No, if anything the kulaks have a better claim to that.
I don’t know if you know this, but the USSR dissolved 3 decades ago. Putin isn’t a communist, nor is the Russo-Ukrainian War a genocide, but a war. The extermination of Palestine at the hands of Israel is a genocide. Really confused why you’re bringing up Putin unless your point is that Russians are intrinsically evil, when we are specifically talking about the Soviet Union.