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America demoralizes every friend and former ally and threatens WWIII.

We are aside, watching America do nothing after decades of bragging about how free you were and how willing you were to stick up for it.

There is no “rest of us” for us outsiders. America is doing this just like Russia invaded Ukraine and Israel is committing genocide, not some of their people.

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Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Is America all one person to you or do you just ignore all the people fighting?

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danciestlobster@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I wish you wouldn’t generalize the whole nation like this. Yes, roughly 1/3 of people voted for trump. Of those, a smaller number actually knew what they were doing and the ramifications of it, the rest just watch fox news and never leave their house. Not a good excuse but also not exactly willful hate.

Then there about a third who don’t have time, money, or mental energy to drop everything and try to start a resistance full time. They still have too much to lose and just want to wait this out.

Then there’s the rest of us actively trying to improve things as best we can through community organizing, resistance efforts, protesting and counter protesting, etc. We aren’t professionals, we aren’t perfect at it, but we are also not lying down and taking it. Sure, we could all just leave, but I don’t think anyone in the world wants to see what America would be like without ANY resistance to this, even assuming we had the funds to move and would be accepted by any other country.

It is depressing and often feels powerless to live here right now. We hate it and want to fix it however we can, and some of us are ready to sacrifice everything to do it. America is NOT (and never had been) a political monolith, and we extremely all do not support trump (look at his approval ratings if nothing else). The sane people here are largely ignored because our views aren’t really represented by either main party and don’t make the cut of the billionaire controlled news media who wants to keep it that way.

Beyond all of this, no one deserves to be personally blamed for the actions of their countries worst politicians simply for existing in the same physical space. Especially those of us fighting against it however we can

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- Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  America is NOT (and never had been) a political monolith, and we extremely all do not support trump (look at his approval ratings if nothing else).
  
  America is the monolith. Russia is the monolith. Israel is the monolith.
  
  United Russia isn’t invading Ukraine, Russia is. Likud isn’t performing genocide in Gaza, Israel is. The Republican Party isn’t waging economic, military, climate, and human-rights warfare among its former allies and fostering a world war for profit - The United States of America is.
  
  So I’m sorry you get lumped together while in opposition but I ask what people outside the US are supposed to do while we wait for the bombs? Smile on Lemmy and save our complaints for people who clearly identify as Trump supporters? I ask what you think of first when you think of a 1930s German, and then add on top decades of freedom fanaticism, foreknowledge in the form of basic WWII history,
  
  Guilty until proven innocent? Sure, but in the setting of a confession (the (second) election) I think the world can be forgiven for assuming the flag stands for what it’s doing when commenting.
  
  Again, I’m sorry. I don’t want to be mean to people or stereotype either but I really don’t think Americans on either side understand how fucking scared we are, and it will be under one flag that you come to kill my family for minerals or some shit just like it’s the Russian flag bombing Ukraine and the Israeli over the ruins of Gaza. Our bestest friend and the kid who took all the equipment because he was “the bestest” has joined the bullies and taken all the shit. Punches are next and I think we can be forgiven lashing out.
  
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  - Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    America is the monolith.
    
    This is someone who knows nothing about America. You either don’t know what a monolith is or you’re just grossly misinformed. You seem to think the entire population just agrees with everything the country does and you hold the people accountable for everything bad the county does.
    
    but I ask what people outside the US are supposed to do while we wait for the bombs?
    
    If you’re so scared and are demanding so much there is plenty action you could take. You could volunteer, you could donate, you could do things if you are actually that worried. But you won’t. You just want to complain online, which ironically is what a lot of America is doing.
    
    Again, I’m sorry. I don’t want to be mean to people or stereotype either but I really don’t think Americans on either side understand how fucking scared we are,
    
    How the fuck do you think we feel? Everyone is yelling at us to fight and where people fight they are disappeared. You’re afraid the US military might come after you? They’re already after us and all everyone is doing is telling us to fight the military they are scared might come for them while doing fuck all.
    
    Either help or move on, whatever this is you’re trying to do, isn’t helping anything.
    
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  - danciestlobster@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Of course you can be forgiven, and believe me I understand your fear. It’s scary being here too, my political ideology was basically declared a terrorist ideology yesterday and met with calls from our government for mass violence against people who hold my views.
    
    That said, I dont hold all Germans responsible for WWII. I don’t hold all isrealis responsible for Gaza or all Russians responsible for Ukraine. I think the people who dissent against those regimes living in those countries are the best positioned to meaningfully do something about their governments, and even if they haven’t done enough to fully end the problems yet they are impactful. At least Russia and Ukraine today have active protests and civil disobedience that help if nothing else push back against the internal propaganda engines in their countries
    
    At a time when everything seems bleak, I think finding allies where you can is more important than ever. Some of those allies will come from within. My understanding is people living in Germany who didn’t like hitler were instrumental to his downfall once Germany was meaningfully being invaded.
    
    You can and should be worried about what the fascist USA is capable of, but I promise whatever there is that can be done against it I will be there to help (for whatever that’s worth as a non military person who is also trying to provide for my family while resisting fascism). I wish it could be more.
    
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- guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Yes, roughly 1/3 of people voted for trump.
  
  You’re forgetting the portion who sat at home and chose not to vote.
  
  Those people were ok with whatever the outcome had been.
  
  Indirectly, they voted for whoever won.
  
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  - Baked86@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Id say directly helped trump, Who tf sits out an election when a shitstain rapist might win?
    
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