Comment on Political discourse

• Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

  I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

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  • finitebanjo@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think they're interpreting your response to the meme as "centrism bad" while the meme in question only offers Nazi, Tankie, or Centrist. These sort of mixups happen in these discussions where the implied context is just so massive.

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The vast majority of communists globally are “tankies”. I know that Westerners don’t consider non-westerners to be “real” though

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    • Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Define tankie? What is this based on?

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    • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Good thing being left of center is far more nuanced than communism, then.

      Also, not going to get into a debate about whether certain people should be considered people or whatever you’re baiting, sounds like fascism to me.

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      • Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I disagree that left of center is more nuanced than communism. Most communists historically reject all forms of sectarianism, although we can fall into it anyway for a lot of reasons. I have love and admiration for many progressive liberals, and leftists that are not communists (commies are often not the most left faction, leninists tend to be more center left.) When you get to this level of analysis though, left right and center stop being useful and you have to dig into actual issues and political action.

        But many progressive liberals are wrongheaded or idealist and dualist, which is not conducive to nuance. But also people are often much more deep and full of insight than their politics suggest

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        “thinking that non-westerners are people sounds like fascism to me. I’m a leftist by the way”

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  • trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    To me it looks like you’re trying to paint everyone who’s not a Nazi or a tankie as an ‘enlightened centrist’.

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    • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      🤷 try glasses

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• TheMinister@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Trying anarchism. Goes down smooth

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    i’ve known too many people who went anarchist > ancap > asshole > sovcit. I’m sure it works well for you, but i feel like it’s playing with fire black tar heroin

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    • TheMinister@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Say what. No one I know has ever gone down that route. Anarchism is the furthest reach from ancap or sovcit.

      I guess I and my friends have the antidote: read some actual theory. You couldn’t possibly agree with theory then go ancap. Sounds like you’re describing YouTube anarchists.

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  tankie is, as i understand it, a combination of authoritarianism, leftism, and some weird nostalgia for the soviet union i’m not entirely sure i’ve just been casually trying to pick stuff up.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s more likely to be Nationalist Bolshevism. The correct term is should be ‘NazBol’ and they’re nationalistic right wingers.

    Keep in mind some users on Lemmy use the term ‘tankie’ to include anyone with opposition to capitalism and will argue to include anyone who is pro-palestinian or even anti-war ironically.

    But those users just so happen to be critics of the Nuremburg Trial verdicts, so their opinions matter less than the NazBols to begin with.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      i remember talking about the nuremburg trials with some… now that i think about of it most of them were lawyer friends, and i only have basic education about the nuremburg trials. a few of them have studied them in depth, and now that i think about it the only criticism i ever heard about the verdict was, if you’ll allow me to paraphrase, “you’re going to spend your whole life disappointed if you keep expecting everything to be perfect”.

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      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Here I distinctly recall a user calling the execution of Julius Streicher an inhumane act and that we lost our humanity executing unrepentant Nazis.

        So that’s fun.

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• Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yes, you can even be a communist without being a tankie.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not now that the term has expanded to mean everything to the left of Kamala Harris.

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• kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Absolutely. There are numerous strains of leftist philosophy that are anti-authoritarian.

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