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Grilipper54@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

As the other person said he ends up saying he still doesn’t like it but there is still a challenge. The reason Charlie says it’s reaffirmed in Mathew about the gays is because everything the student brings up is the old testament and Jesus already died to erase those sins. Bringing up Leviticus trying to make a point doesn’t work if you believe in the new testament.

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SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Good thing Charles set the trap himself by saying morality is objective and unchanging. That must either mean God commanded things that were not moral (which is against their worldview), or that burning women, killing disobedient children, taking people as slaves for life, and stoning people for working on the Sabbath are morally permissible.

It’s usually impossible for them to concede God did anything wrong, so they have to justify numerous atrocities.

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- Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not a Christian, but a Muslim once share the argument that God doesn’t make mistakes and corrects, nor he changes his mind. He sets the correct rules for that moment, and any change is because it’s the right thing to do and it’s the right moment to do so. We mere humans can’t understand enough, so that’s the godly way to guide us.
  
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  - SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    He sets the correct rules for that moment
    
    So morals are not objective and unchanging, rather they change depending on how God feels at any particular moment. You can’t actually ground any sort of moral worldview with that belief because you can justify literally anything as long as you say God said so.
    
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    trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is literally the first instruction God gives Adam and Eve. Do not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Do not develop an independent sense of morality. What God says is the right thing at that time, and don’t you dare contradict him.
    
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    Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It was more “moral are beyond human comprehension, so follow sky daddy” kind of argument.
    
    Not saying it’s a good argument, but a possible one from a religious standpoint
    
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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They rationalize their way out of everything. The bible is infallible except when they don’t like what it says.

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