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theangryseal@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Liters in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
This IS the begotten violence. MAGA chuds have already killed what they perceive to be left wing leaders. And their own leaders are in the process of killing the rest of us. No one wants this, but when the violence has been already happening? Yeah, it’s nice to see that it’s a nazi dead for once.
But I’d much prefer there weren’t nazis in power trying to put me and others like me in the fucking death camps first. Until then, yeah I’m going to cheer when a nazi dies.
Dude ran his mouth. That’s what he did. No one should die for that.
What someone says does not exist in a vacuum. His rhetoric encouraged gun violence and vilified empathy. He played a not insignificant part in violently radicalizing fascists, ones that have already been killing or showing actionable intent to kill. He wanted me and others like me to be eradicated from society EXPLICITLY and by running his mouth convinced his base that this was for the best by painting us as child groomers and pedophiles, thereby stirring even more violence in the shocking number of people that listened to him.
He wanted me and those like me to not exist. I’m glad he stopped existing before he could make that a reality. If it’s monstrous to be relieved about one less person advocating for my eradication, then I suppose I’m as monstrous as they come.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Did we win completely in 1945?
No, and that’s why we’re still doing this shit.
So 1945 didn’t help at all? It just created more violence? All the Jews we saved from those camps, we made it worse?
So Charlie Kirk was Hitler?
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
If you think the rights of people can be won without violence, you have not paid attention to history. This was never going to end peacefully.
immutable@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Evergreen tweet
For those that don’t want to give X the traffic
save_the_humans@leminal.space 16 hours ago
There’s a Wikipedia page on nonviolent revolutions, so is violence itself necessary or is the threat of violence sufficient? History may not actually be in complete agreement in favor of violent resistance.
“Nonviolent campaigns have a 53% success rate and only about a 20% rate of complete failure. Things are reversed for violent campaigns, which were only successful 23% of the time, and complete failures about 60% of the time. Violent campaigns succeeded partially in about 10% of cases, again comparing unfavorably to nonviolent campaigns, which resulted in partial successes over 20% of the time.”
www.ericachenoweth.com/research/wcrw
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Those campaigns were surrounded with violence. That is why they worked. Riots, killings, people getting beat up, people fighting police. the police committing acts of violence, etc. Just because they aren’t an armed concerted effort, not having concerted, armed, resistance, does not mean non-violent. Like you say the threat of the violence they could see, getting bigger, is the reason to reach out to the non-violent party for diplomacy. But the threat has to be real.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Well go be violent then. Fuck it up for those of us that don’t want any part in your bullshit.
I’m out. I’m done. I’m tired of reading shit from you cowards who do nothing day in and day out but inspire crazy people.
You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals…except you call other people to violence and do nothing. That’s all that is left of your humanity. You’re like Hitler. You dream of gassing your enemies but you’re too cowardly to run the camps yourselves.
Comment back when you’ve killed someone you coward. Go on. Get out there. What’s stopping you?
Let me guess, you’re too comfortable. Your life is ok. Day in and day out with your little dopamine hits. Dreaming and doing nothing.
Go on, coward. Kill someone. Or are you somehow above it? Is that why I’m reading about people other than you in the news every day?
Shut your goddamn mouth until you’ve fired a shot. When you do, I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
I’m so done. I really am.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 7 minutes ago
rofl what an actual loser you are. Way to completely and utterly fail to understand the paradox of tolerance.
I bet you don’t even understand the principles of self defense… Fucking pathetic. Leave if a Nazi being killed upsets you so much. I promise Lemmy will not pamper your dumb ass.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Ah, you’re one of the rational ones, i see
theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
You want violence? I’m just hoping it comes to those of you who do.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I grew up needing to be ready to kill, and have almost been killed myself, by an abusive father.
You know what finally got him to chill? My mom fighting back with a clothing iron. Me grappling him to show I could fuck him up now if I wanted to, but chose not to.
You would have a point, if the current government wasn’t ALREADY doing mass violence. What the_fuck_ do you think ICE is doing? Where’s your outrage there, angry dumbass?
The fact you say someone wishing to give the oppressors a small taste, a warning they fucking actually understand and listen to, is being Hitler-like, and don’t call the people literally running camps now that, shows what you really think.
That’s why I left the country and moved elsewhere. Because I knew that if I stayed there, I’d eventually be on the news for something like this, because I have a way lower tolerance for fascism due to having grown up with a literal boot on my face sometimes, as a kid.
And because I knew cowards like you are still way too numerous, too afraid to actually stand up for what’s right, terrified so much they can’t even let people celebrate when the world was made just a tiny bit better by the elimination of someone terrible bringing terrible things into existence.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
You don’t know me. I’m covered from head to toe with scars from growing up in a world much like the one you grew up in. Hospital trip after hospital trip, police officers taking Polaroids, swearing that my brother and I were wrestling and a mirror fell on me, or my hand got broke because I crashed an atv. I was locked in a room and starved to the point that I was stunted, the only male in my family who isn’t over 6ft tall. I sat in a courtroom after the cotton swab that was shoved in my ass didn’t provide the evidence needed to put a motherfucker in jail.
Somehow, I just don’t have a taste for violence.
I’m not sad that Charlie Kirk died. I’m sad that someone killed another human being in front of the world and I’m terrified of what comes next. I’m terrified that he’ll be a martyr and inspire more people than he ever could have inspired living his life to its natural conclusion. I have no doubt that some of that inspiration will be violent retaliation.
Just like when the moron shot at Trump and missed. You can go back to the comment I made that day. It went something like, “Well, they made him a goddamn hero and the election is over now.”
I think we could have prevented the rise of Donald Trump. I think people like Kirk and Shapiro could be made irrelevant. I believe we can do that with our goddamn brains and we don’t have to be apes to get what we want.
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I have killed someone in my life. I am not telling anyone to kill anyone either. I am pointing out the pure fact that we have never resolved the progress of human right without violence, and you are naive to think we could do it this time. If you don’t want to kill people, I understand, it sucks, I know. However, thinking we can move forward without having violence is wrong, it has been happening for a while. The right has been routinely committing acts of terror for years now. They pulled the peace option off the table a long time ago.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
We’re just doomed to do this over and over again, aren’t we?
Just an endless cycle of brutality.
As though one day we’ll have just enough bloodshed to have everything we ever wanted?
Get off my nuts with that shit.
Just like every other time it’s happened, some naive kids will go out and die for all the morons who should be old enough to know better.
Oh well, I guess.
Zetta@mander.xyz 15 hours ago
Honestly solid argument, even though you will likely be disliked. Sorry this is all stressing you out so much.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
It just seems to me that we’re doomed as a species to continuously roll backwards into monstrosity and suffering. We’re animals. We really are.
Even the people who want a better and more just world think that it needs to be covered in flames first to get there.
It’s all some big game and the only people who keep losing are the regular people who just want to eat and not go to bed hungry.
When some big war comes, it will be fought by children again while all the so called thinkers on all sides dream of rebuilding in the aftermath, only to end up right back in the same mess all over again.
That’s why I’m so angry. Even the people who study history seem to miss everything between the lines.
Someone will take Charlie Kirk’s place. They always do. The next person will rally people to retaliate and be more extreme on his rhetoric.
When the next big war comes, we need to just take all of the people who advocated for it and throw them into a field and let them have it out. That isn’t ever how it goes though.
Thank you.