What the actual fuck is “Europe doesn’t/didn’t want to help the US avoid their current fascist dictatorship” supposed to mean ?
What exactly do you think European countries should have done to stop Mango Mussolini being elected ?
Send in German troops to the red states to stand next to the ballot boxes and turn away MAGA voters ?
Send Keir Starmer to hand out leaflets for Harris at the Walmart in ButteFuck Wyoming ?
You dumb fucks voted for him, we can’t fix that for you. We certainly can’t send military in - the US has spent 50 years persuading and forcing the EU to be militarily weak (and 10 years bitching about the consequences of their own diplomatic efforts)
Piss off with this idiocy.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
It is not Europe that is alienating USA, it’s the other way around. Apparently USA believe they don’t need allies, because they are acting hostile against allies, while being extremely friendly to Russia.
Neither USA or EU stand a chance against China alone, we need to cooperate, but USA is not cooperating they are being confrontational and undermining EU and just about every other ally even Canada which for decades has been the closest ally to USA, and helped USA every single time USA called for it. So has Denmark, yet USA threaten to take Greenland!!
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Stop grouping the American people in with the President, most of us didn’t vote for him.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Don’t deflect. Fix.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
I have to work everyday and I’m homeless, fuck you
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
It’s hard to fix the problem when MAGAts are fucking morons. My dipshit moron uncle tried that shit on me recently, and tried to compare “what we’ve suffered the last 4 years” as if the fascist authoritarian crackdowns we are seeing are anywhere near anything under Biden.
These people are willingly and gladly stupid/ignorant and refuse anything that refutes the inaccurate worldview in their heads. I’m trying when I can, but talking to these dumbasses is infuriating at times (probably intentionally to keep people from being able to disabuse them of their ignorance).
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
I visited the US (small town in NY) in 2022 and every other lawn had a bunch of small Trump flags. Not even a presidential election year.
I fully believe a large share of the country voted for him at this point. Doesn’t mean that he’s absolved of fuckery in swing states
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Yeah, you visited some bumfuck small town, that’s where they hide 🙄
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
First of all, I hate what’s happened to the US, but with that said…
There was a good decade or so where Russia was running a pretty obvious disinfo campaign against US citizens while literally setting up a Manchurian candidate in Donald trump. We already know to some extent that Europe had intel on the situation and really didn’t do jack shit to try and prevent what has turned into Russian backed dictatorship.
So I disagree with you on the subjection of alienation. I would argue that the EU set itself up to be alienated through its inaction.
On the subject of allies, I don’t think there is a single person in the US that really believes it doesn’t need allies. The US has just traded its western allies for eastern ones. Trump has been cozying up to other dictators around the world since his first term. These days he’s very friendly with Putin.
So again, I disagree with you.
And I find it pretty fucking hilarious that you’re talking about the US cooperating with the EU when the EU has done fuck all to help prevent what’s happened to it. If there is war between these nations, there is almost no way the US will be allied with the EU. The US is a dictatorship and it will ally itself with other dictatorships.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Oh boy the ignorance of that statement is so big I don’t even know where to begin.
First of all the cooperation of 28 countries to prevent war among themselves is far from not doing jack shit. Secondly EU has worked hard to avoid war through cooperation, but not as much militarily to end them. But still most European countries have been at the side of USA when they asked for it.
I’m sorry, your narrow ignorant perspective is simply not a level I really care to debate at.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
WHAT FUCKING COOPERATION!?
I’m the ignorant one??? what the fuck did the EU do to help the US with obvious Russian interference in their politics? If you’re truly not ignorant, like you say you aren’t, then you could see what was happening. With Russia literally installing a russian asset into the US presidency. What the fuck did the EU do to prevent that?? Fucking nothing.
Serinus@piefed.world 20 hours ago
It wasn't the EU's role to defend our internal politics. It was ours.
And we were also trying to be careful. More careful than we should have been.
The goal was to remain as non-partisan as possible while giving the public enough info to make the right decision. We all failed in that.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Yeah we failed because we didn’t use all avenues available to us. Including insisting upon the resources of our supposed allies. Although I feel those resources should have been volunteered considering the clear and present danger to our democracy. instead we got next to nothing.
This alliance has felt incredibly one sided and at this point, with the US being heavily controlled by Russia I almost feel like Europe is just reaping what its sown. If there is a war in europe, europe will suffer, and it is their own faults for being willfully isolationist.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
The thinking that any of the current fallout in the US is foreign-led is not giving any good explanations for the reality we observe and therefore procides no good solutions. What you’re observing is primarily driven by the oligarch class in the US finding new ways to extract profit. That drives everything. It drives Fox, it drives the Heritage Foundation, it drives turning both parties in oligarch-serving machines. Feeding this machine with resources from the outside is a bad idea since most of those resources would be captured by the oligatchs. The only way out of this is to get an internal populist left movement to curb their power, reposses most of their resources and redestribute them to the masses.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
If you don’t think it was foreign led then you have no idea what you’re talking about. It has been entirely led by Russia. Yes the oligarchs in the US have been a part of it, but they were unified and driven together by Russian interference in US politics. You want to ignore the part that Russia played in this, then you choose to rewrite history.
And your “only way out of this” – why you don’t you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.