Comment on Apple Envy

• Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  On privacy, google is much worse

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  • xia@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I would agree insomuch as Google’s privacy issues are better known.

    Nonetheless, we are comparing two jail cells. One has a finger-puzzle that opens the cell-doors than the secure jail (and an obvious surveillance camera), and the other one is securely locked with a less-obvious/hidden camera (iphone backups)… and the issue at hand is they want to remove the finger-puzzle because the captives keep opening it to let baddies join them.

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    • kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      iphone cloud backups are encrypted, and can be turned off very easily. Local backups to a pc can also be encrypted if you want.

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      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That didn’t stop Apple from handing over backups to the FBI that were swiftly decrypted after several high profile incidents (like the San Bernadino shooting), and I assume it would be even less difficult for them to fork over info for another Snowden if they use Apple products.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Encrypted doesnt necessarily matter. I dont trust apple to not give up the keys.

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  • Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Never read Apple’s privacy policy, huh?

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• kassiopaea@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fair, but I think that while Apple is generally more authoritarian with regard to developer experience, they’re less user-hostile overall and generally strike a good (at least compared to the current alternatives) balance between freedom, privacy, and usability for most people.

  I think Google (and Silicon Vally writ large) is coming to terms with the fact that past a certain size userbase, authoritarianism is necessary to maintain control, consistency, and (very importantly) safety… where Apple has pretty much always embraced it; for better or worse.

  I could easily turn this into a larger critique about society and governance, federated republics being necessary in the long-term versus corporate monoliths, and the “10x everything” culture being the root of the new tech-right, but I will digress, lol.

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  • HarryOru@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In terms of freedom, Apple is the most user-hostile company in the business and has been forever. People are screaming in justified outrage at Google taking out sideloading in 2025, but when was the last time you could sideload something on an iPhone? Oh, never? Right.

    The passes Apple constantly gets, even here, are absolutely fucking insane to me. “Oh well, at least they’ve always been authoritarian!” What??

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    • kassiopaea@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I make no claim against the lack of freedom on Apple devices, but “un-free” doesn’t mean “user-hostile”. We’re talking about the perceived quality of experience for the user, not anything else. Like, look, don’t get me wrong, I still hate Apple (and all the big tech corpos) out of principle- but they provide an objectively better user experience for the vast majority of people.

      • Apple has been, while extremely restrictive, very consistent on what users are allowed to do with devices… Google has repeatedly shown that they can’t be trusted to actually commit to popular features or services that they put out.
      • Apple has put forward several measures to increase [perception of] user privacy where Google has repeatedly shown that they have no interest in doing anything other than collecting as much of your data as possible and using it for their ad business.
      • iOS/iPadOS accessibility features blow Android’s out of the water in terms of breadth and quality; where with Android you often have to rely on third-party apps that may or may not work consistently or break with an update.

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    • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Golden ducking handcuffs. Is that the right expression?

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        i couldn’t find that, but I found this as consolation
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  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    freedom

    Literally the worst

    privacy

    Bad. Regularly snitches to the bad guys.

    usability

    Arguable. If everything you own is in their ecosystem and up to date.

    Nobody uses apple because of this shit. It’s all dtatus and branding.

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    • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I seem to remember a very high profile case where the FBI wanted access to a suspect’s iPhone, and all Apple had to do was give them an iOS side release that bypassed the unlock system. Apple refused to do it since it would break user security.

      It’s very possible things have changed since then.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I seem to remember one where they caved.

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s the lack of choice on what to do with your hardware after EOL that always rubbed me the wrong way with Apple. Unless there’s a known exploit to unlock the boot loader, you can’t install something like postmarketOS or LineageOS to continue using it, so you just feel compelled to treat it like e-waste and buy a new device.

    I’ve had 3 android phones total in my life, and one of them I only replaced after it got crushed in a roadside accident. The other 2 are still useable.

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    • xia@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      To be fair, unlockable bootloaders seem a bit exceptional on the Android side too…

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      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That might because many people (at least in the US) get their phones through payment plans with a cell service carrier, and those usually aren’t unlocked unless you pay for the whole phone + if they care enough to give you the code after.

        I always bought unlocked phones directly, so I guess I never had that issue?

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• Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  they’re only good to the extent that they’re forced to be by the GPL

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