Comment on Computer Science, a popular college major, has one of the highest unemployment rates
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 days ago
As a Computer science graduate, I have to say:
No shit! The industry is terrible and has no standards (I don’t mean level of quality but there is no agreed accreditation or methodology). If you do end up in a job you will most likely not use even 5% of what whatever school you went to taught you. You will likely work for peanuts as there will always be someone to do it cheaper (not always right, or good, or even usable). You will work with people doing your job that just lied about having any post secondary education. There is almost no ability to move up in any position in the industry, and like everyone I know that stuck with it you will have the same job until you stop working (you will have to take a side move into another department most likely). This is also the industry most likely to get touched by the “good idea fairy” so you will also be exposed to the highest levels of stupid, like 3 layers of outsourcing the NOC to an active warzone sort of stupid.
I should have known it was a bad idea in college when most of my classmates where ACTIVELY WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY TO PAY FOR SCHOOL so they could get a piece of paper that said they could do the thing they where already doing. But I did my 15 plus years and got out, I have my own business now selling drugs and it is way less sketchy.
There is almost no ability to move up in any position in the industry
Change jobs every three years until you find a place that doesn’t suck.
The insanity of the industry is that employers will hire some schmuck with “10 years experience” on their resume for twice what they’re paying the guy who has worked at the firm for ten years.
Urgh, yeah it is just so bad. Most places don’t even have a possible job above yours to even potentially move to. Where I was they literally sold us to a competitor (then unsold me as they forgot about a few contracts) and then just removed all the positions above us or related to our department. I lost 3 layers of bosses one day (not that anyone noticed much). And then expect people to just happily go on and on and on.
The fact they could not hire anyone (I was the “new” guy for 10 years on my team) was down to really shitty hiring practices, that automated the requirements in such a way that the only people who could get an interview would have had to lie on their applications. They where desperately trying to say they wanted to hire more people but no one was “qualified”, meanwhile they froze pay for years (really showing that dood that was there for years how much they care).
When android and ios were taking off, I’d see job requirements saying 8 to 10 years experience on Android development.
It hadn’t been out 8 to 10 years.
Oddly a very common occurrence. It was normally one or a combo of 3 impossible things:
The fact they could not hire anyone (I was the “new” guy for 10 years on my team) was down to really shitty hiring practices
Not a bad time to start collectively bargaining, especially if you’ve got your fingers in the dam.
HA, not at that sort of place. Unions where never even allowed to be talked about, they instafired anyone that even hinted, illegal or not they did not let that happen.
Change jobs every three years until you find a place that doesn’t suck.
Most of my social circle is in tech and we’re spread across or have worked for basically every company in our city and that isn’t really a thing here.
If you know a big chunk of your city’s skilled developers and you collectively agree all the firms suck… might not be a bad idea to start organizing and withholding your labor as a unit.
I only know a handful, we’ve all just moved around a lot through our careers.
You’re dead on about the 5% of what you learned thing. I’m on like my 20th tech job and pretty much everyone one has been different. What I learned in school has applied to only the most basic aspects of any of those jobs. Everything else was learning as I go and just generally understanding how PCs and software work. I have done fairly well with upward mobility (currently about as high as I can go without taking another leadership position) but I had to bust my ass to do it and it was only because I always stood out because of that so I would be first choice. There were never enough promotions/mobility to go around to everyone that was deserving.
If you talk to people who went to different schools you quickly realize that its all different. I spent a lot of time learning antenna theory, Cisco networking and really out of date system admin, while on the other side of the nation my future co workers where learning soldering, cable terminology and text based HTML.
I was on the college board of governors and the thing I learned is that no one knows what computer science even is. Sad part is that it was the same for a lot of the subjects taught.
That was a ride and i love your last sentence.
Hey man I hear you, so how much gor a quarter?
cheapest I have in store is $20, the fanciest is $40. All in CAD of course.
My experience is so different to yours.
Work a lot with what I studied, need the algebra daily. I still have people randomly contacting me for interviews. People move a lot, it’s rare to be in the same function for over 3 years.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
You know its bad when dude casually drops that he’s a drug dealer and we all collectively shrug, like yeah sounds about right.
Rakudjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I work in pharmacy and casually joke about being a legal drug dealer all of the time.
Not all drugs are street drugs!
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 days ago
Oh you guys have the HARD shit, I don’t even compare.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 days ago
Hey, its a new legal industry. And selling drugs lets me sleep much better at night compared to having to pretend whatever new bullshit they are pushing is not terrible.
Anivia@feddit.org 3 days ago
We have all been conditioned by the media to think of drug dealers as bad people, but if you aren’t violent and only selling to consenting adults there is nothing inherently wrong or evil about it, other than braking the law. You are providing a valuable service to your community, like every other job.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
It does depend on the drugs though. If you’re shorting crack and heroin to your community then you’re just a predator preying on your own people.
AbsolutePain@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah, also. if it’s the illegal kind there’s a huge price payed in blood in the countries that manufacture and transport them.
The war on drugs sucks but it’s a fact that buying illegal drugs fuels an industry of violence.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
A lot of drugs are very addictive and ruin people’s lives. I’m well aware a lot of lives were ruined by the stigma attached to to drugs, but to swing from they are evil criminal people to just equating drug dealing with every other job is insane to me.
Anivia@feddit.org 2 days ago
If someone breaks their arm doing a skateboard trick, do you blame the seller of the skateboard?
Consenting adults know the risk of taking drugs, if someone gets addicted the blame doesn’t fall on the dealer.
Not to mention that the vast majority of drug users dont become addicted or have their lives ruined. Rather they have their lives significantly improved
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 days ago
Also have to point out in my case it is very much legal. I am no different then someone with a liquor store (well maybe my stuff is potentially less harmful).
plyth@feddit.org 2 days ago
Of course, it goes against all values that you were taught.
Rookeh@startrek.website 3 days ago
There are only two industries that call their customers ‘users’…