Do you also think the engine that comes with your car is free because the manufacturer doesn’t sell it as a separate item and it’s not listed on the receipt?
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floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month agoI don’t understand this argument. It makes no sense. Just because a piece of software is included for free with an Apple computer doesn’t mean you’re paying for it. It’s like you see the word “free” and just decide it means something different than what it really means.
Statick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
I don’t see how cars and engines have anything to do with the fact that macOS is free.
Natanael@infosec.pub 1 month ago
If including it with a paid product has a cost for the manufacturer, then you did pay for it as a part of the price of the product which you did pay for.
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
That’s a guess, not evidence of your claim.
WilloftheWest@feddit.uk 1 month ago
The OS is a component of the whole product by Apple’s own reporting and marketing material. If you bought a Macbook directly from Apple and it came without MacOS preinstalled, would you consider that a fulfilled transaction?
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
None of this means that macOS costs money. You’re spinning a pretty crazy fantasy here to try to disapprove the fact that macOS is free.
“It costs money because something else costs money!” is a nonsense absurd argument
enthusiasm_headquarters@lemmy.world 1 month ago
again, if you think osx is free you are deeply, cripplingly ignorant of how Apple makes money.
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
What a fascinating hallucination you’ve had.
But the fact remains that macOS is free. Wanna approve me wrong? Show me a receipt where someone paid for it in the last 15 years.
You really should talk to someone about your Apple derangement disorder.
Zorque@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because I am capable of critical and complex thinking. Just because something is labeled as “free” does not necessarily mean there are no costs associated with procuring or using a product. If you’re handed a proprietary piece of technology for “free”, but the only way to use it is to pay for another piece of technology or software that you have to pay for… it’s not free. It’s complementary, but it’s not free. You still need to pay some amount to use it.
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
This is the same faulty logic as arguing that Linux also costs money because you have to pay for a computer to run it on. Any operating system requires that you own a compatible device to run it on.
You’re just drawing some imaginary line at Apple computers. It makes no sense.
Natanael@infosec.pub 1 month ago
To be extremely pedantic, there’s licensing costs involved with a bunch of 3rd party libraries included in the OS (HDR, h265, radios, etc), but they cover those royalties / fees via hardware sales and the license to use it follows the hardware
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
That’s a pretty specific and bolt claim. Presumably, you have proof of this? Because every piece of evidence is that the license to use macOS is free. In fact, if you claim otherwise, then please, show me where I could possibly pay for it.
Any windows license always cost money.
That’s the difference between “free” and not free”. One cost money, and the other one does not.
enthusiasm_headquarters@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What? No. Your “payment” to Apple continues as you use OSX.
You don’t need to pay “Linux” anything (though you can donate to distros and app devs if you’re a sweetie).
You don’t even need to pay for a computer. You can steal one or find one in the garbage. Apple hates recycling hardware, that’s why they sue 3rd party Apple repair and maintenance shops. I used OSX for a decade. They were cool for a little while, being somewhat novel for adopting a UNIX-like as their backbone, but that goodwill and logic is long dead.
I hate them as much as I hate Microsoft, perhaps even more, because not only have they abandoned the ideals they marketed in the 00’s, they are draconian in their enforcement of their control. Their planned obsolescence is absolutely criminal. They embezzle tens of billions of dollars overseas to avoid taxation. And Tim Cook now blows Donald Trump for breakfast.
To hell with Apple and their whole shitty thing.
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
What a fascinating hallucination you’ve had.
Regardless, macOS is free. It’s been free for the last 15 years, and if you want to approve otherwise, show me a receipt where you paid for it.