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That’s a pretty specific and bolt claim. Presumably, you have proof of this? Because every piece of evidence is that the license to use macOS is free. In fact, if you claim otherwise, then please, show me where I could possibly pay for it.

Any windows license always cost money.

That’s the difference between “free” and not free”. One cost money, and the other one does not.

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JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Here you go cnx-software.com/…/h-265-hevc-license-pricing-upd…

The license to use macOS is not free. You must run it on a Macintosh computer and, keeping in terms of the license, cannot be run on non-Macintosh hardware. You must therefore purchase a Macintosh computer to use macOS. See Page 2, Section 2 of the Software License Agreement.

You keep repeating this argument of “show me where I can possibly pay for it” presumably because you know that it is not for sale and this is common knowledge.

What is being omitted here is that because anyone has the ability to put a PC of their own components together, Microsoft has two roads for these people: give Windows away where Microsoft sees none of that money back, or sell you a license to use Windows - they choose the second option. This is why you can buy a license for Windows. If you could only use prebuilt machines and were unable to make your own PC, the license cost would be passed onto the manufacturer and thus amortised in the final sale price.

Apple doesn’t need to do these extra steps because they are both the software vendor and manufacturer, thus the development costs associated in macOS is also amortised in the final sale price.

Please stop defending a trillion dollar corporation over specific pedantics and omissions. macOS is complementary software, it is not free.

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- floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You sent me the license of agreement for a completely different piece of software and think that’s evidence of macOS costing money?
  
  Are you hallucinating?
  
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  - JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The first link is evidence that video codecs cost money and, as per that source:
    
    Most video codecs such as H.264, H265/HEVC, MPEG-2, MPEG-4… requires the manufacturer to pay a license fee. The fees are then added to the final product, but the actual codec fees are usually unknown to the end user.
    
    This was in response to the earlier discussion about third party libraries costing money.
    
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    floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    OK, I guess some third-party libraries do cost money, which is to be expected. That doesn’t change the fact that macOS is free.
    
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Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s paid for as a part of the hardware and not listed separately on the receipts. All those 3rd party components in the OS are not free and has to be paid for. That comes from the hardware sale.

www.apple.com/legal/sla/

You agree that the terms of this License will apply to any Apple-branded application software product that may be preinstalled on your Apple-branded hardware

you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time.

to download, install, use and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running macOS Sonoma, macOS Ventura, macOS Monterey, macOS Big Sur, macOS Catalina, macOS Mojave, or macOS High Sierra (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control

and you agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so.

The license additionally calls out included 3rd party licensed fonts which which you can’t use unrestricted without a specific license from the market of that font

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- floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You have to agree to that same license agreement even if you download macOS from Apple’s website without paying for it. So I still don’t see what in the world you’re talking about except for twisting yourself into pretzels to make sense of your nonsense argument.
  
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  - Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You’re not allowed to use it after downloading it for free unless you use it on Apple hardware that it paid for. If you don’t have Apple hardware you only have a file you’re not allowed to use. Paying for Apple hardware pays for the license permitting you to use it.
    
    That’s like saying that using a fixed cost subscription service is free because you’re not paying at the time that you access it.
    
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    floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That doesn’t mean macOS costs money. Just the Apple hardware. It’s really weird that you can’t tell the difference between a piece of software and a piece of hardware. What’s worse as you think I have the same trouble you do.
    
    macOS is free. Just because Apple hardware isn’t also free doesn’t mean macOS isn’t free.
    
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