No, peopke who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.
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TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days agoBy dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.
I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
No matter who it is, people need to realize who are defending themselves and who are going out of their way to commit offenses. When it comes to politics, people conveniently forget bad people DO exist, on all sides.
It DOES NOT MATTER what is currently going on in the world. It DOES NOT MATTER if they claim to be humans. It DOES NOT MATTER if you want to continue calling them humans.
What you need to learn is… these are humans who willingly betray the humanity you claim to want to defend… yet you continue to defend them, all in the name of some childish idea of “justice”.
I agree things should be done legally where possible. What you need to learn is the law is not good! It doesn’t create justice. It doesn’t create peace. They’re just rules people are supposed to follow, good or bad.
What DOES matter, is people like you constantly running interference for literally and directly evil people. Stop equating people defending themselves with people who want to commit the offenses. There us a HUGE difference between someone doing something bad to defend their own freedom, and someone who wants to go out of their way to remove someone else’s freedom.
You can treat them as humanely as you want. What you NEED to learn is… they are enemies of the humanity you want to protect! Literally, directly, enemies of humanity. Why do you insist on equating them with people on defense?
5too@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Being a human is very, very different than having humanity. People need to realize these are humans … who willingly betray their humanity.
They are literally and directly enemies of humanity, who need to be treated as such.
5too@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
no different
Addressed elsewhere downthread.
treat your enemies with respect
And if they dont want to be people in any of the ways that matter to me, calling them people eould be profoundly disrespectful. They aren’t me abd dont have my values and treating them like they are/do would be disrespectful.
human
Nobodys arguing that. I just don’t see why it gets brought up. Plenty of people arent human-dogs cats elephants octopi corvids cetaceans. If they’re not lesser for not being human, i dont see why it’s something i should be so fucking proud of.
dumb pieces of shit
There’s actually more to it than that. Plenty if dumb pieces of shit aren’t fascists.
don’t lower yourself. Be better
Thanks, got it handled. Take your own advice and don’t be super reactionary and tribalistic while reducing everything to shallow aesthetics. Try rigorous examination if the things you believe and elaboration, rather than reflexive gut reaction, or you really are not so different from them.
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I’m sure that will work.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you do not understand the principles of defending the humanity you love fromcthe people who want to destroy it, then you are WORSE THAN USELESS. These people are actively destroying society and the very “humanity” you want to preserve… yet you still won’t attack them??
You are nothing but a useful idiot to fascists with that kind of pacifist attitude…
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Who said I won’t attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.
You call me pathetic, although I’m actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.
You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
Reflexive simplistic judgement without willingness to pull apart or confront uncomfortable ideas that may threaten orthodoxy; most antifascist thought.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.