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• callouscomic@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because the New Testament is better? The NT is especially sexist towards women. Like:

  • they need to be quiet (1 Cor 14:34-35)
  • they can’t divorce but men can (Matthew 5:32 and 19:9) and it implies she has no autonomy since his act alters how she is viewed
  • also 1 Timothy 2:9-15 is quite the ride, with dressing modestly to worship God, be quiet, fully submit, no teaching a man, be quiet again, men came first, women sinned first, and only birthing children can save them.

  Holy shit. Those are just a few.

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  But it is true the Old Testament is quite the doozy.

  We gotta go back to the good Old Testament for one of my favs:

  Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

  Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

  The later his wife was turned to salt cause she bad (because of course only women do bad things, didn’t yiu know? /s). Then his daughters, who had been spared what you read above, wound up getting their dad drunk and fucking him in a cave to continue the bloodline.

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lot’s offer to the mob was meant to be an allegorical lesson on obligations to guests. Basically a hyperbolic ‘this is how far you have go to protect guests in your house.’ In the modern age it would be a hotel clerk holding off a mob with a shotgun or something like that.

    In not sure if the cave incest had a lesson behind it, but the impetus was his daughters thought they were the last people on earth and were trying to restart the population themselves. I don’t think they were meant to be seen as evil for it.

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    • callouscomic@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tha is for reminding me of one of so many reasons I abandoned the family from my childhood and all their toxic abusive apologists.

      Incredible you’re in here defending throwing your own children to mob rape.

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      • Machinist@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re nine kinds of warped around the axle about this and being pretty nasty to someone who seems to be chill.

        Also, as an agnostic atheist raised in some ugly fundamentalism: you’re applying modern views that are out of context to the period. Women and children were basically property. A similar modern view would be towards livestock.

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      • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In not sure how you see that as a defense. I think you might be projecting your own issues on others.

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• bramkaandorp@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Only for Christians. I would assume this still holds for Jewish people, as well as some christians who still holds to the Old Testament due to Jesus saying that the old text will not be superceded.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For reference, here’s that verse, Matthew 5:18:

    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    Thats the KJV, here’s a bunch of other translations:

    biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm

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