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not in the US, however.

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I wonder why that may be. but incidentally Porsche was the most profitable brand in USA before Trumps stupid tariffs, and Porsche is also VW.

USA can go fuck themselves, they are making themselves irrelevant. Hyundai is also losing profits in USA despite investments:
reuters.com/…/hyundai-motor-warns-bigger-hit-us-t…

Hyundai will be fucked over too, it’s just a matter of time. VW decided to scale back in USA, instead of fighting the windmills.

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Nima@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
i don’t know anything about it. i just looked up VW and looked to see what countries sales were good and bad.

“USA can go fuck themselves, they are making themselves irrelevant.”

i did not want to get into a political shit fight, man. i did a DDG search about sales for a car manufacturer. thats all I did.

take it fucking easy, damn. =(

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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Are you really claiming to be unaware of the shitshow that is USA?
  Why not look at a page like this for example?
  
  en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_automotive_manufacture…
  
  Hyundai is doing fine, but they are still below VW.
  
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  - Nima@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    i have no idea what you’ve gone off about. i did a DDG search.
    
    I’m sorry for doing a search. lol
    
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    Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    And for some reason, you search turned up a result that isn’t representative, maybe you should be more careful with your searches?
    
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

I wonder why that may be.

Parts are expensive since everything needs to be imported. This has been true long before Trump started messing with tariffs. Parts are way easier to get and cheaper in the EU.

Toyota is popular here for the opposite reason: parts are inexpensive and easy to find. They’re also imported, but they’ve done a much better job figuring out their supply chain.

Porsche is also VW

Maybe by ownership, but they target a very different demographic and thus are designed very differently.

Hyundai is also losing profits

Hyundai is a lot more popular here than VW. Why? They’re cheap and reasonably reliable. VW isn’t as reliable.

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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  OK, but still USA is just 1 of the 3 biggest markets in the world, and the one where VW is doing worst.
  All three brands are very reliable, so i bet the margin in that regard isn’t big between them.
  On a global scale VW remains ahead of Hyundai.
  en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_automotive_manufacture…
  
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  - 0ndead@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    We get it; you drive a VW
    
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    Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    No I was using Mitsubishi for many years, but unfortunately their quality declined.
    Now I drive an old Opel, but currently I wouldn’t buy anything from Stelantis.
    
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    And I’m sure VW is a lot cheaper in Europe. My uncle bought an Audi when he lived in Germany because it made sense there, and now he drives a Japanese car because Audis don’t make sense in the US.
    
    If you buy German, you need to be ready to spend a lot on maintenance and repairs here in the US.
    
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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Regarding reliability it’s weird Hyundai already has such a good reputation for reliability, because it’s not many years ago that Hyundai was pretty poor quality. Like for instance the Hyundai Sonata was really awful with rust. And the way the car was built was outdated.
  So just a few years ago, there was no comparison that VW and Toyota were vastly superior quality to Hyundai.
  I know they are better today,but still I must admit I’m surprised if they are really better than VW?
  For instance the Hyundai Kona 64 had a total recall on the batteries. That’s an enormous issue to have had.
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    VW was never comparable to Toyota. The top has always been the Japanese brands, sometimes with caveats about certain transmissions (e.g. Mazda and Mitsubishi CVTs).
    
    German cars are fine, but parts are generally hard to get or are expensive. Many shops won’t touch them, so you need to find a European imports shop.
    
    Here’s some data from 2024, VW is fourth last, ahead of Land Rover, Audi, and Chrystler. Somehow they’re behind Luncoln… Here’s the image:
    
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    Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    That schematic is basically worthless, first it’s “per car”, with no mention of average age or mileage.
    Mercedes is no doubt among the absolute most reliable cars you can get, most Taxi drivers here use Mercedes for that reason.
    But Mercedes also on average drive longer than most other cars, because people who drive a lot tend to prefer Mercedes more.
    VW only ranking a couple places above Chrysler is laughable. There is no way that can be right.
    Also Audi ranking below VW is ridiculous. Audi is to VW somewhat what Lexus is to Toyota.
    Something is definitely off with that chart.
    
    But I do not deny that Hyundai may have improved enough to be as good or maybe even better than VW, What I questioned was how they could have that reputation already few years after they clearly sucked on quality. Being reasonably good now, is exactly as expected though. Because when they were bad over a decade ago, they were so bad there are probably very few left on the roads. It was not just something that needed to be fixed bad, it was very much also end of life for the vehicle bad.
    
    I skimmed the article to find the methodology behind the numbers, but couldn’t find it.
    
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