Methodology is mileage divided by money spent on repairs
That schematic is basically worthless, first it’s “per car”, with no mention of average age or mileage.
Mercedes is no doubt among the absolute most reliable cars you can get, most Taxi drivers here use Mercedes for that reason.
But Mercedes also on average drive longer than most other cars, because people who drive a lot tend to prefer Mercedes more.
VW only ranking a couple places above Chrysler is laughable. There is no way that can be right.
Also Audi ranking below VW is ridiculous. Audi is to VW somewhat what Lexus is to Toyota.
Something is definitely off with that chart.
But I do not deny that Hyundai may have improved enough to be as good or maybe even better than VW, What I questioned was how they could have that reputation already few years after they clearly sucked on quality. Being reasonably good now, is exactly as expected though. Because when they were bad over a decade ago, they were so bad there are probably very few left on the roads. It was not just something that needed to be fixed bad, it was very much also end of life for the vehicle bad.
I skimmed the article to find the methodology behind the numbers, but couldn’t find it.
raef@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s actually a good way to measure for similar cars. But still a luxury car is obviously more expensive to repair, and that does not make it unreliable.
raef@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I hear what you’re saying, and I don’t know what else they might do for the formula. I just knew from somewhere back in my head that that’s the basic way they do it
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Turns out than when the tests are mandatory safety checks performed by a third party, a study shows VW is the clear winner.
autoparts24.dk/…/stor-undersoegelse-her-er-bilmae…
Here Tesla is claimed to be the cheapest to maintain, but they also have the worst failure rate of any brand here in Denmark at similar safety checks as in Germany. Although the failure rate is even higher here with 33% which used to be completely unheard of.
So cheap maintenance does not mean high reliability. 😋
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Mercedes is no doubt among the absolute most reliable cars you can get, most Taxi drivers here use Mercedes for that reason.
Most taxi drivers here drive a Toyota Prius, because they’re incredibly reliable and get great fuel economy.
The only people who drive Mercedes here are rich people who like the brand, or people who need a 15 passenger van, because there aren’t many options and it’s better than a Ford or Chevy.
The only people who get BMW and Audi are car enthusiasts and rich people who like the respective brands and are willing to pay for the privilege. The only people who get VW are those who are attracted by the low prices,(can get a Jetta for ~$20k because nobody wants them) and later get screwed on repairs. I almost never see VW here, they have a terrible reputation, which is amazing because everyone loved the old Beetles.
But sure, if you don’t like the stats I showed, provide your own and prove me wrong. Sales figures won’t convince me, repairability stats do.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yes we’ve seen the beetle in many American movies, and every hippie group with respect for themselves drive a Volkswagen Bus. (according to Hollywood) 😋
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Yup. They weren’t particularly reliable, but they were cheap and parts were easily available.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Funny, because the Beetle was very reliable and durable here in Europe, both in cold Scandinavian countries, and hot south European countries. And here they were everywhere even 2 decades after production stopped. Very very durable and reliable cars for its time. Also beating way more expensive cars.
What they were not was well equipped with extras, or fast or powerful or particularly comfortable to drive, and they were also noisy.
But to say they weren’t reliable???Did USA get some sort of second rate Beetle cars compared to Europe? Here we called it the asphalt bubble. I even have a neighbor who owns a late 70’s beetle, which still drives absolutely fine! Still with minimal maintenance!
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Here the picture is very different, admittedly this is a German study, but by TÜV which is a very reputable company, the biggest company responsible for mandatory car safety checks at periodic intervals.
autoparts24.dk/…/stor-undersoegelse-her-er-bilmae…
VW was never comparable to Toyota.
VW actually beats even Toyota, it’s a couple of years old. But I doubt this has changed much.
This is a very solid stat, for a big country, and that checks are mandatory. So not dependent on brand methodology.
For instance here Tesla is said to be the cheapest car to maintain after purchase and under warranty. But they do a piss poor job, so a whopping third of the cars fail their first mandatory safety check after 4 years. (after that it’s every 2nd year). No other brand is even close to as bad.
VW is among the more expensive, because they have very strict service requirements while under warranty. But I guarantee your chance of passing mandatory safety check is similar to the German, about 2% failure, compared to 33% failure for Tesla. The failures of Tesla are even pretty serious, like steering and brakes! While for other cars Steering is an unheard of failure.There are many ways to make the stats, but the above study is in my opinion much more reliable than what you showed. Unfortunately we don’t have the same amount of data here.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 day ago
Audi is full of shit. Don’t chalk that pile of garbage up with Mercedes.
But, Toyota is easily better than any German brand. The reason why this just is garbage, is because Honda isn’t on top of the list.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
No literally that study is worthless, there is no reliable common set standard for the results, which is probably why I can’t even find the methodology used described in the article.
The below linked article based on a TÜV study, is based on legally mandatory safety checks performed by an independent third party:
In this way more rigorous and fair study, based on security issues detected at mandatory checks, VW turns out to be #1!
So clearly Toyota is NOT easily better than VW, Audi or Mercedes, which actually all beat Toyota in an actually useful fully transparent study.