Noone is saying ban guns. People are saying we should have more thorough background checks, mandatory training, and close gun show loop holes. No, banning things doesn’t completely solve the issue. But putting obstacles in the way generally stop most crimes. Of course there will still be people who go above and beyond to commit a crime, but with the number of shootings drastically lowered you can start to address the rest more easily.
They banned violence. Clearly banning things is effective. It worked when they banned drugs. And 100 years ago when they banned alcohol. And there’s definitely no sex workers because prostitution is banned.
Dietwindex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bad news…tons of people want to ban guns thinking it’ll stop the violence…
irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People want to regulate guns, not ban them. If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence. That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed. Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die. And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.
The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People want to regulate guns, not ban them.
That’s some bullshit. The end goal is complete disarming of the public. Stop fooling yourself.
If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence
Straw purchases are how the majority of firearms used in crime are obtained, not from theft.
That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed.
Yes tell that to all the people who are killed by knives. Which is 3xs higher than all rifles combined. Which you clearly want to ban…that black plastic rifle you think is a weapon of war, kills around 50-100 people a year. Hands and feet kill 2xs all rifles combined and about 15xs more than the AR-15 yearly.
Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die.
This is just nonsense…see above.
And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.
First, I’m all for single payer healthcare, secondly, cops kill on average around 1k Americans a year…yea… I’m not worried about the boots…
The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.
Lol handguns are used in 95% of all gun violence…and it’s like 99% of all suicides. That black scary rifle is a rounding error on firearm deaths…and it’s not a weapon of war, it’s a semi-auto rifle dressed up in plastic…the military wouldn’t be caught dead with one of them.
irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You totally missed every point I made and replied with, no they’re not rather than offering any evidence. Show me that the majority are pushing to ban guns. Straw purchases are already illegal but unenforced, can’t do much when cops refuse to do their job. I didn’t say people don’t die from knives, but a stab isn’t going to kill a random person on the street accidentally. And there’s a huge difference between a knife wound and a bullet wound that makes it much easier to treat. And the knife doesn’t break apart, shredding nearby organs, rarely breaks larger bones, or in the case of supersonic rounds from the mentioned weapons of war, cause compression shockwaves that pulverize organs. If you haven’t spent time in combat or an ER or around gunshot wounds, you have no idea. I’ve seen organ soup after a close range stomach wound from a high powered rifle. And I don’t care that handguns are the most common. They’re also the most commonly used for defense. It’s the high powered ruffles that liquify your organs when used in drive-by shootings that have no reason to be in the hands of civilians in the first place.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So you would legalize kiddie porn because it still exists?
elscallr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No I’d kill the people that made it. There’s a difference.
PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeah but you’re pro-gun, so it’s not surprising that you’re always on the look out for someone you can get away with murdering.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Ever wonder why no one is walking about with their own personal bazooka?
PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yet somehow, the bans on hand grenades, landmines and giant bags of anfo have worked. It’s almost like it’s easier to control the production of weapons and dangerous goods than plants and sex.
Techmaster@lemm.ee 1 year ago
ANFO isn’t banned, people use it all the time.
PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I am using the pro-gun community definition of the word “banned” that means “not actually banned, just regulated”.
You can also buy hand grenades with the appropriate permits and background checks. You know, just like guns in almost every other country where the pro-gun community insists they’re “banned”.
30mag@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why don’t you walk us through the process of legally acquiring a handgun in the U.K.?
elscallr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think I mentioned guns at all. If you assume banning guns would be equally ineffective I can’t say I disagree, but that’s a conclusion you came to.