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See the problem is the same as people who think it’s still funny to joke about abusing women. Even ignoring the offensiveness, we’ve heard it already. A million times. It’s old, really old, really uncreative. Boring.

Just like the shitty, thoroughly debunked crop deaths regurgitation. If you’re going to try debating vegans, at least take a few minutes to do some basic research, cause you have no idea how repetitive this is for us.

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Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Well, jokes about rape can still be creative and funny. As long as they don’t feel forced.

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- AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No, they’re really not. What is wrong with you?
  
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- KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  As long as they don’t feel forced.
  
  So what, you gotta roofie them before telling the joke?
  
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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
this doesn’t drink every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.

but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, to are ok with animals during in the production of their food.

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- Hazor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.
  
  Some insects die on my grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself.
  
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    go ahead and try to reduce suffering. I’m just starting facts here.
    
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- AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.
  
  Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.
  
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming?
    
    and most people don’t slaughter animals. which, by the way, is one of my firmly held beliefs: we can’t blame people for something they didn’t do.
    
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    the linked four part essay excuses crop deaths
    
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