Comment on Finland | Minister: "Burkas and niqabs are not suitable for school"

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It gets even worse, once the ‘gods chosen people’ and ‘dirty heathens’ discussions start. Kids have no filter. I’m speaking of all abrahamic religions and a a good chunk of everything else.

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    God sure does enacting genocides on his “chosen people” quite often. I guess Muslims and Christians sometimes forget what they’re chosen for lol.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Kids have no filter

    Yeah, they’ll even repeat your username!

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    • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Iykyk lol

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• DeviantOvary@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Agreed, and this goes for any religion that does it. But what really grinds my gears about (other) leftists defending this kind of religious expression is, this isn’t something women choose. They’re forced to and groomed from young age to cover themselves. Meanwhile, their brothers, fathers, sons all walk around free to wear shorts, t-shirts, etc. If men had to cover themselves the same way, then sure, at least there would be some level of equality. This is just plain old misogyny that has no place in modern societies.

  However, with that said, there’s a real possibility banning head coverings would ultimately hurt girls, instead of helping them. Good education and financial independence and stability in adulthood would give these girls a better and safer way to escape. Like with any other societal problem, it’s complex and can’t be simply “magiced” away.

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• Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think that’s a misinterpretation of the concepts of Freedom of Religion and Laicity (freedom from religion).

  In the French understanding, laicity means that no representative of the State is allowed to show their religion, or treat people differently according to their religion / political orientation. Traditionally it even extended further : for example teachers would refrain from exposing their religion / political views because they recognized the influence they held on their community, and that being outspoken is unfair to those who do not share those views.

  That being said, the Burqa laws are an attempt to place that burden on the users of the services of the State. It’s pretty toxic because they should be served equally, which obviously they can’t be when you write laws that target one specific group over others.

  The attempt to place the blame on parents is equally toxic. You have the freedom to raise your kids the way you see fit : having a conscience is not illegal. If that leads them to do illegal stuff, well that’s when the law comes in, but not before.

  It’s all fun and games until the next fascist administration uses the same Burqa laws to prohibit whatever you hold dear.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s all fun and games until the next fascist administration uses the same Burqa laws to prohibit whatever you hold dear.

    Yeah, next they’ll be saying something like “kids shouldn’t bring life-like replica guns to school” or something equally authoritarian.

    The horror.

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    • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a great joke. I’m sure there’s no reasonable scenario you could have picked instead of that one.

      It’s not like some places in the world are prohibiting discourse about homosexuality or the criticism of religion, under the same guise of “protecting children from indoctrination”.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not like some places in the world are prohibiting discourse about homosexuality or the criticism of religion, under the same guise of “protecting children from indoctrination”.

        I am Finnish. Neither of those are in any way forbidden or avoided?

        You’re pretending — in bad faith — that this is some authoritarian bullshit. It isn’t. It’s perfectly reasonable not to allow kids to cover their faces. I wasn’t allowed to in school in the 90’s either.

        Again, hijabs are completely fine.

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