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TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago… in threads like this, people like you always get downvoted, and people saying spreading the message via exaggeration doesn’t work gets upvoted. Unless you think the only people who matter don’t vote, the data (and common sense) is against you.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
You cite data. What’s your data that proves that singular attack vectors at persuading populations works best, compared to multiple vectors?
And what common sense? Eating meat, and using animals in general for our purposes, is serving as one of the largest contributors to climate change, to water overuse, to nitrogen and fertilizer runoff that kills ocean life, to heart disease (red meat specifically), and to cancer (UN classifies red meat as a carcinogen).
Seems to me that your “common sense” is willful ignorance at the pleasure of others’ suffering, both on an acute and obtuse level.
I do agree with you that this is common. Most societies today are not vegan. Hell, most aren’t pro-Palestinian, or at least the governments aren’t. That latter example is changing, thankfully.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Common sense is when you come at people like this, they don’t listen. That’s why I won’t read your comments and probably no one else will either.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Whether someone reads both of comments is not up to us. There are likely many non-vocal lurkers on this post and on Lemmy in general that have their opinions swayed by the users that are vocal.
My motivation to voice my opinion is the same as yours in this matter.
And bud, that ain’t common sense. That’s a reflexive mechanism since people don’t like being told their wrong, bad, or immoral. Doesn’t change the fact that they still are. What IS common sense is recognizing our capacity to do evil in this world, and lessening that. Veganism aims to do just that. Don’t see you providing any alternatives
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You claim I’m shutting down the conversation, but I see you taking away my will to converse. Nothing really to say. I dated a vegan a couple of years and am on board with the mission overall. But this abrasive shit isn’t helping you
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The mistake is thinking that this is about creating a successful movement and real change, when veganism is actually often a tool to allow one to believe are falsely morally superior to others.
The more people that participate and agree with them, the less effective it is at making them feel better than others, so it actually requires excluding and belittling people rather than convincing them.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Their responses here kinda confirm what you’re saying
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
All I can say is that you have a super naive idea of the veganism movement, and your prescriptions for doing “good” activism can go paint my taint.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It sort of does feel this way