Absolutely brain dead to compare the probability engine “AI” with no fundamental use beyond marketed value with a wide variety of truly useful innovations that did not involve marketing in their design.
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Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 weeks agoOne could have said many of the same thigs about a lot of new technologies.
The Internet
Nuclear
Airplanes etc.
Any new disruptive technology comes with drawbacks and can be used for evil.
But that doesn't mean it's all bad, or that it doesn't have its uses.
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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Of those, only the internet was turned loose on an unsuspecting public, and they had decades of the faucet slowly being opened, to prepare.
Can you imagine if after WW2, Werner Von Braun came to the USA and then just like… Gave every man woman and child a rocket, with no training? Good and evil wouldn’t even come into, it’d be chaos and destruction.
Imagine if every household got a nuclear reactor to power it, but none of the people in the household got any training in how to care for it.
It’s not a matter of good and evil, it’s a matter of harm.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
The Internet kind of was turned lose on an unsuspecting public. Social media has and still is causing a lot of harm.
Did you really compare every household having a nuclear reactor with people having access to AI?
How's is that even remotely a fair comparison.
To me the Internet being released on people and AI being released on people is more of a fair comparison.
Both can do lots of harm and good, both will probably cost a lot of people their jobs etc.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
You know that the public got trickle-fed the internet for decades before it was ubiquitous in everyone house, and then another decade before it was ubiquitous in everyone’s pocket. People had literal decades to learn how to protect themselves and for the job market to adjust. During that time, there was lots of research and information on how to protect yourself, and although regulation mostly failed to do anything, the learning material was adapted for all ages and was promoted.
Meanwhile LLMs are at least as impactful as the internet, and were released to the public almost without notice. Research on it’s affects is being done now that it’s already too late, and the public doesn’t have any tools to protect itself. What meager material in appropriate use exist hasn’t been well researched not adapted to all ages, when it isn’t being presented as “the insane thoughts of doomer Luddites, not to be taken seriously” by the AI supporters.
The point is that people are being handed this catastrophically dangerous tool, without any training or even research into what the training should be. And we expect everything to be fine just because the tool is easy to use and convenient?
These companies are being allowed to bulldoze not just the economy, and the mental resilience of entire generations, for the sake of a bit of shareholder profit.
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Give me one real world use that is worth the downside.
As dev I can already tell you it’s not coding or around code. Project get spamed with low quality nonsensical bug repport, ai generated code rarely work and doesn’t integrate well ( on top on pushing all the work on the reviewer wich is already the hardest part of coding ) and ai written documentation is ridled with errors and is not legible.
And even if ai was remotly good at something it still the equivalent of a microwave trying to replace the entire restaurant kitchen.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
I can run a small LLM locally which I can talk to to turn certain lights on and off, set reminders for me, play music etc.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
That’s like saying “asbestos has some good uses, so we should just give every household a big pile of it without any training or PPE”
It doesn’t matter that it has some good uses and that later we went “oops, maybe let’s only give it to experts to use”. The harm has already been done by eager supporters, intentional or not.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
No that is completely not what they are saying. Stop arguing strawmen.
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
But we could do vocal assistants well before LLMs (look at siri) and without setting everything on fire.
And seriously, I asked for something that’s worth all the down side and you bring up clippy 2.0 ???
Where are the MANY exemples ? why are LLMs/genAI company burning money ? where are the companies making use of of the suposedly many uses ?
I genuily want to understand.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
You asked for one example, I gave you one.
It's not just voice, I can ask it complex questions and it can understand context and put on lights or close blinds based on that context.
I find it very useful with no real drawbacks
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Neat trick, but it’s not worth the headache of set up when you can do all that by getting off your chair and pushing buttons. Hell, you don’t even have to get off your chair! A cellphone can do all that already, and you don’t even need voice commands to do it.
Are you able to give any actual examples of a good use of an LLM?
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Like it or not, that is an actual example.
I can lay in my bed and turn off the lights without touching my phone, or turn on certain muisic without touching my phone.
I could ask if I remembered to lock the front door etc.
But okay, I'll play your game, let's pretend that doesn't count.
I can use my local AI to draft documents or emails speeding up the process a lot.
Or I can used it to translate.