Comment on Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

raldone01@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Bless your heart.

  They will do whatever they believe will maximize profit.

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  • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That is disingenuous.

    People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it’s not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.

    Some random dude promising to “donate from time to time” is not a valid business model.

    I wish they’d strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?

    The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.

    You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.

    It’s fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn’t exist or has no value simply isn’t true.

    So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.

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    • rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.

      en.wikipedia.org/…/Business_models_for_open-sourc…

      Speaking of WIkipedia, wikimediafoundation.org/…/financial-reports/

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    • kinther@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Patreon $1 a month?

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    • btaf45@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser

      The browser is built. I don’t want to see them have a gigantic development staff because further updates are just as likely to enshitify as to improve something.

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Bless your heart.

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If you disagree, I’ll donate $20 a month to you to do it better.

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    • piefood@feddit.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.

      A lot of people donating, while not spending that money on dumb projects, and worse exectutives is a valid business model. Mozilla just doesn't want to do that, because they care more about their executives than they care about Firefox.

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  • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I thought mozilla was a non profit?

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    • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Mozilla is a bizarre Matryoshka doll with a for profit company inside of the nonprofit. If anything, I believe this structure is responsible for Mozilla’s problems

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      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        So the profit from the for-profit is passed up to the non-profit.

        This is a really common organisational structure and not bizarre.

        There’s loads of worthy criticisms to make of mozilla but this is not one of them.

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    • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Non profits do have corporate leeches too. The executives at Mozilla have executive salaries. That is, hundreds of thousands, or millions.

      They don’t work out of the goodness of their hearts. And Mozilla has to find a way to earn the income to pay their bloated salaries.

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      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Why would an organisation choose to over spend on executive salaries?

        Obviously, it’s because thats what it costs to get people with the right skills.

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    • JonsJava@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Non-profit isn’t the same as not-for-profit

      Take American Red Cross

      They make bank on blood donations. Also, they take in way more than they put out.

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      • Grapho@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The red cross fucking sucks too

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      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        This smells like BS.

        Is mozilla non-profit, not-for-profit, or for-profit?

        You dont really know do you.

        “I dont like mozilla so ill just assume they must be profiteering assholes somehow”

        “Its the vibe of the thing”

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Profit can be distorted based on how much employees are being paid.

      They’re a “non-profit,” but their CEO makes millions of dollars per year. I’d say that’s a profit.

      Believing otherwise is just falling for rhetoric that exists to take advantage of our naivete so people richer than us can be even richer.

      Many of you will disagree with this (because you’re greedy consumerists), but their employees also typically don’t need to be paid nearly as much as they are. Their employees are also working to maximize profit, only from a different, less-effective angle.

      Money brings out the worst in people. I don’t really value the input of people going to bat for the businessmen taking their money. Too often I see useful idiots proud to be ripped off and getting angry whenever someone points it out. It’s really the norm at this point, which is sad.

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      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Calling whatever you like “profit” cant really be rebutted, it’s subjective semantics.

        Yes CEOs are paid lots of money. Why would mozilla choose to over pay staff?

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