Comment on Upvotes and downvotes are public information on Lemmy

• jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Also if only voting is so bad, just don't vote. Those votes are not used for anything but ranking in lists for others, you'll not see any difference for yourself if you stop voting.

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  • npdean@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It is a social forum. Voting and commenting is the core part of the experience.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes. So does seeing how you are voting and commenting.

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      • npdean@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t understand

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• sundray@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If you’re a lurker who votes, voting would be your only exposure.

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  • BlueEther@no.lastname.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If you are a lurker that votes then I very little that some random could tie back to your home address or even IP

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Which only has rather limited information derivable from it. The most “identifying” would be to vote regularly on a community dedicated to your local area.

    If you don’t trust your instance with knowing your IP-address, then the issue is not going to be solved by “anonymous voting”. Because your instance has to know if you voted on something or not, so votes cannot be done multiple times. This is unavoidable and equal to the situation when using reddit. Except that you can choose a different instance if you distrust the current instance.

    OP either did not think through what he is claiming or he is driven by an agenda.

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• npdean@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Both of them are but when a person comments, they willingly put out their opinion in the public. Voting is meant to be anonymous (like irl).

  Also, votes have a massive amount as compared to comments. An average user might comment on 1 post for every 50 they vote on (a number I pulled out of my ass)

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Voting is meant to be anonymous

    You THINK it should be anonymous. I disagree so did Lemmy creators.

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    • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The Lemmy creators thought votes should be private, and didn't respond meaningfully to people who tried to tell them that Lemmy votes are not private.

      If they're currently retconning it as "Lemmy votes are not private and never were," then that's a step in the right direction I guess, but the fatal flaw was ever following the Reddit model where votes are "supposed" to be private for real. Because as you note it is impossible to do in an ActivityPub system. A lot of people when this was first being discussed, pre-lemvotes, were objecting strongly to the idea of making votes public, because they liked pretending they were private and just not paying any attention to the fact that they weren't. I think mbin still refuses to display downvotes for this (stupid) reason.

      (Actually, Piefed did what I thought was a brilliant solution, creating new actors to send out votes with that were different from the comment actors, so that individual users could vote from Piefed and admins could check into it but the votes would not be trivial to associate with the users. IDK why they abandoned it but it seemed like a pretty clever way.)

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      • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I thought they consulted it with the users, and they decided that they should stay pseduo-private.

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    • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’d dare say lemmy creators wouldn’t mind private votes, they chose not to dispolasy voting counts to normal users after all, but that’s not how the ActivityPub protocol is built and honestly can’t be built if you want federated votes.

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  • jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Voting is only seldom private IRL, only in very specific situations like in very important national elections.

    When you vote for what to get for lunch together or for who will be the head of your local football club or who will be the speaker in your school, most of them are public, similarly to Lemmy votes.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The only one tying your votes to your IP-address or the E-Mail you registered with, is your home instance. This is identical to reddit. If you don’t trust your home instance with your IP-address, use a VPN and/or switch to a different instance.

    You are making up an issue for lemmy, which you are willing to accept with reddit.

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    • npdean@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Votes being public is a lemmy specific issue

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      • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        But they aren’t tied to any public information that relates back to you, unless you voluntarily make this information public yourself. You have the exact same “privacy (maybe even physical security)” risk, like when you use reddit. Just that with reddit you have to trust reddit to use the platform, while in the Fediverse you only have to choose one instance to trust.

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