Comment on The proletarianization of tech workers

• Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Even bourgeois class work. Even aristocrats… CEOs work.

  Working is not what identity proletariat.

  I show solidarity, I have former colleagues working at google. They have all my solidarity, but they are not proletariat.

  An average google engineer have more capital than most CEOs around the world.

  They need to unionize, but they are not proletariat. My company is unionized, and we are not proletariat. There are unionized people owning multiple porsches. They are not proletariat. They simply find easier to live out of a good salary instead of the stress of having their own company

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  • darq@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I didn't say they didn't work. I said is their livelihood dependant on labouring.

    I don't know what you gain out of gatekeeping the working class. The whole invention of the middle class has been a tool by the owning class to separate the working class.

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    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I gain nothing other than I prefer politics to be well directed. Unions for tech jobs is clearly needed, and it is fine. As said I work for an unionized company.

      Problem of putting together real working class and people like me, or Google engineers that are even in a better position, it’s bad to orient policies that helps the real working class. I want everybody to enjoy the privileges of mine and google engineers. Putting as in the same bucket as deliveroo drivers is not good for society. As society, we need to really works on the struggle of real proletariat. As tech workers we are far from the priority. Tech workers need to unionize, yes, but they are not proletariat.

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      • darq@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You keep saying that it's bad, but you haven't actually said why. Just this nebulous idea that standing together is somehow bad. Worker's rights benefit all workers. And the more people demanding them, the better. Even more so if the people demanding them have greater access to the resources needed to actually make a difference.

        Never once has "divided we conquer" been true.

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      • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Tell me you know fuck all about unionization without telling me. Its all the same. We all, the working class, are advocating for the same fucking rights, boundaries, and protections. Deliveroo driver and tech employee both wanna go home at a reasonable time of night and sleep well knowing they can pay their bills.

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  • MikuNPC@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Working at Google is not what it used to be 20 years ago. Not only would an average CEO be better off but there are plenty of other tech companies better to work at as well. Google engineers are salary workers not much different than any other

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    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those I know drive tesla and porsche, spend their long holidays traveling the world, and have higher entry salaries than management in banks, with larger bonuses.

      But apparently you guys know different engineers that struggle to survive… Fine with that. I might know only the lucky one.

      Otherwise we are all proletariat. Which is a news for me. I can finally complain with my “real proletarian” friends that we share the struggle, although we definitely don’t.

      Anyway, I will stop arguing. Apparently labeling google engineers as proletariat is an important topic in Lemmy, that users do with extra passion

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      • darq@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Anyway, I will stop arguing. Apparently labeling google engineers as proletariat is an important topic in Lemmy, that users do with extra passion

        You are the one who came in and insisted on specific labels. People disagree with you. Don't pretend this was our passion, it was yours.

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