an anti-n korea org
No, an organization that advocates for North Korean human rights. That’s a pro-north korea org.
You gonna tell me that people who have a problem with Pol Pot are “Anti-Cambodian”, Mr “.ml”?
Comment on North Korea sent me abroad to be a secret IT worker. My wages funded the regime
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The BBC cannot independently verify the specifics of Jin-su’s testimony, but through PSCORE, an organisation which advocates for North Korean human rights, we’ve read testimony from another IT worker who defected that supports Jin-su’s claims.
oh. ok.
yucandu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Tankies just aren’t serious people.
Klear@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
On second thought let’s not go to lemmy.ml. It is a silly place.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wait… you’re doubtful because it’s coming from a anti-NK instance? A pay stub is just going to show he worked. He could have bought and sent bitcoin or done so with cash drop offs. Why does this story magically no longer become interesting because of a group that helps defected NKs?
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
It’s no longer interesting because it’s probably bullshit - which is par for the course for these CIA cutouts. These are the same groups that push absurd ideas about state-mandated haircuts, Kim Jong Un dying, that Kim Jong Un executed his ex, that North Korea banned sarcasm, that Kim Jong Il claims he once shot 11 straight holes in one, etc… these pieces get absolutely eaten up by western liberals who, in the next breath, will call citizens of the DPRK the most propagandized on earth.
yucandu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The reason China spreads so much propaganda about North Korea actually being totally normal and everything bad you hear about it actually being CIA propaganda lies/because of western sanctions, is because they don’t want to admit any responsibility for being the largest trading partner to a despotic authoritarian regime.
That’s why you only see this kind of weird denialism around North Korea, and not the other places with shitty leaders and backwards authoritarian laws.
You are repeating Chinese propaganda. You need to understand North Korea isn’t socialist. China isn’t socialist. And just because America, a country that has done a lot of anti-socialist shitty things, says that North Korea is run by a despot, doesn’t mean they’re wrong. North Korea is run by a despot. Just because people have said things about North Korea that have been proven wrong, doesn’t mean everything ever said about North Korea is wrong.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Lol another ml that thinks NK is a paradise
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Why does this story magically no longer become interesting because of a group that helps defected NKs?
There is nothing magic about it. The organization that’s cited isn’t the problem. The problem is the BBC cites that org as proof that this person’s claims are true. But neither that org nor the BBC have said, “we have corroborated Jin-su’s story.” On the contrary, the BBC just admits they didn’t or couldn’t corroborate the story themselves. So in my mind I may as well have read this article on any rando’s blog post, or in the NYT in 2001 under a Judith Miller byline. It lacks credence.
I wouldn’t have had anything to say if BBC said that they reviewed some documents that showed Jin-su’s claim. Maybe a few of the “hundreds” of fake IDs that he used, for example. But instead they just read more testimonies from PSCORE (presumably) like the one that they couldn’t verify for the sake of verifying this testimony!
Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 weeks ago
There are also reports by companies and american judiciary system. Now, those are biased voices too, they lack clear proof of what happened, and they probably make it bigger than it is, but i find it unlikely that this is 100% bs and staging : if i had that much resources to pour into staging something, i think it would be more convincing.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I’m not doubting the N Korean scheme to infiltrate IT jobs. There’s even that woman who was prosecuted (I think she lived in Arizona?) because she is one person who acted as a facilitator for this scheme. My point is the BBC ran a story with an “anonymous” source then admits in the middle that they couldn’t substantiate any of the claims. That’s the problem here.
Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 weeks ago
Okay, my mistake, i misinterpreted it. To be fair with BBC, they point out in the title and article that this is just some transcript of someone anonymous, and they try to tie each allegation with reports from other sources to back up their likeliness. I guess it's the best you can do with someone anonymous ? Revealing the company, dates, or town might compromise the anonymity. I have this low-key uncomfortable feeling of "well, there's nothing that proves it" with most anonymous reports i read or hear, even when it's for events that are common otherwise.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
In cases like these the journalists can and often do say something to the effect of they were able to corroborate the claims. But you’re super right about being careful, because they also can mishandle the data they receive to the point where they dox the anonymous source, too. That’s what happened with Reality Winner and The Intercept. They botched it, and she was arrested.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
ml and their daydream of a perfect NK is hilarious to see in the wild.
witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
You can have healthy skepticism without jumping to the other end of the spectrum of DPRK stan.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Normal people can, yes, but .ml isn’t full of normal people. There’s a good reason for the instance’s stereotype.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You’re not addressing the fact that BBC admits they didn’t/couldn’t substantiate his claims, which apparently is no problem for your own journalistic standards.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Why would i address that?
Was i ordered to adress anything other than what I've already commented on?
Have I been compelled to address it?
Do i believe in any way that NK isn't unfortunately a shithole fascist dictatorship of a country?
Do i feel bad for you for wanting to think NK is a theme park sunday stroll paradise?
No.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You’re tedious and annoying.
markko@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They are reporting on what he told them. Would you expect a news outlet to be able to somehow verify the testimony of a prisoner of war before reporting on it?
The title and article both make it clear that they are reporting his story.
Additionally, the rest of the article - including the ones before and after your quote - discusses numerous cases of other similar scenarios.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“If the circumstance were different would you expect something different?” is what you are asking me. The interviewee isn’t a POW, but a defector. And not an escapee, because according to the article he was already sent abroad, so it’s not like he fled with merely the clothes on his back and a story to tell. So I would presume he would have a bit more to share with the BBC than just a story.