Comment on Tesla loses Autopilot wrongful death case in $329 million verdict

• Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fuck that I’m not a beta tester for a company. What happened to having a good product and then releasing it. Not oh let’s see what happens.

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  • CannedYeet@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not that simple. Imagine you’re dieing of a rare terminal disease. A pharma company is developing a new drug for it. Obviously you want it. But they tell you you can’t have it because “we’re not releasing it until we know it’s good”.

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    • Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is, or was (thanks RFK for handing the industry a blank check), how pharma development works. You don’t even get to do human trials until you’re pretty damn sure it’s not going to kill anyone. “Experimental medicine” stuff you read about is still medicine that’s been in development for YEARS, and gone through animal, cellular, and various other trials.

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      • CannedYeet@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Actually we have “right to try” laws for the scenario I described.

        But the FDA could use some serious reform. Under the system we have, an FDA approval lumps together the determinations of whether a drugs is safe, effective and worth paying for. A more libertarian system would let people spend their own money on drugs that are safe even if the FDA’s particular research didn’t find them effective. And it wouldn’t waste tax payer money on drugs that are effective but exorbitantly expensive relative to their minimal effectiveness. But if a wealthy person wants to spend their own money, thereby subsidizing pharmaceuticals for the rest of us, that’s great in my opinion.

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• susurrus0@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The status quo is people driving poorly.

  It’s not people driving poorly, as much as it is horrible city planning, poor traffic design and, perhaps most importantly, not requiring people to be educated enough before receiving a driver’s license.

  This is an issue seen practically exclusively in underdeveloped countries. In Europe road accidents are incredibly rare. Nobody here even considers self-driving cars a solution to anything, because there’s nothing to solve.

  This is nothing but Tesla (et al.) selling a ‘solution’ to an artificially created problem, that will not solve anything and simply address the symptoms.

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• dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Even if self driving cars kill less people, they’ll still destroy our quality of life.

  youtu.be/040ejWnFkj0

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• haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This isn’t really something you can be ‘too cautious’ about.

  Hopefully we can at least agree that as of right now, they’re not being cautious enough.

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  • CannedYeet@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As an exercise to remove the bias from this, replace self driving cars with airbags. In some rare cases they might go off accidentally and do harm that wouldn’t have occurred in their absence. But all cars have airbags. More and more with every generation. If you are so cautious about accidental detonations that you choose not to install them in your car, then you’re being too cautious.

    I can’t agree that they’re not being cautious enough. I didn’t even read the article. I’m just arguing about the principle. And I don’t have a clue what the right penalty would be. I would need to be an actuary with access to lots of data I don’t have to figure out the right number to provide the right deterrent.

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• mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it’s hard to prove that point, though. rolling out self driving may just make car usage go up and negate rate decreases by increasing overall usage

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