Comment on Welcome to the new world of risk: Microsoft cuts off services to energy company without notice

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• atticus88th@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My company spent last decade automating moving entire organizations and all their software to the cloud. This decade weve been automating moving entire organizations off the cloud. Sometimes to private clouds but most of the time to on prem hardware just like the old n times.

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  • piefood@feddit.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I will never understand why businesses want to let someone else control their infrastructure. Putting your money-maker in someone else's hands is just telling them that it's OK to give you the squeeze later.

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    • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Because managers really like giving contracts to those giving a presentation in an exotic resort and have a great service agreement so all blame for mishaps can be shifted away from their career.

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      • IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Also, at least in here, lease costs (like all as-a-service things) are considered to be flexible while own hardware and specially workforce are static costs. And no one wants to increase static costs, even if it’s clear as daylight that flexible cost only flexes upward over time unless the company suddenly shrinks by quite a lot.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We moved out entire stack to the cloud, knowing full well we’re gonna bring it back in the future. We hosted our apps on traditional servers and server maintenance was a nightmare, we didn’t have the capacity and our application uptime is critical to our operations, so we strategically moved everything to the cloud so we can not worry about the maintenance for a bit while we took the time to rebuild our infrastructure properly with load balancing and high availability, and refactored our applications, we’re now slowly moving things back.

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    • wampus@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      In many cases, I’d say it’s because they aren’t IT or IT Security focused businesses. A pizza shop, clothing retailer, or whatnot, needs IT stuff to function, but that’s not the focus of their business. Hiring an IT team at IT worker rates is expensive, especially as a support/tertiary role for your business.

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    • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Someone else controls your infra no matter what. Say you’ve got a data center, you run all your applications on site. Great, until your ISP or electrical or DNS provider or registrar fuck you.

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  • Dadifer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Whoever decides to trust Microsoft will always get burned. Amazon and Google not much better.

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    • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This case is the result of government sanctions, not Microsoft arbitrarily doing shit.

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      • Dadifer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You mean besides abandoning whole fields of research and selling out to the government routinely?

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  • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yep, i’ve seen this exact pattern at three diffrent companies - the cloud repatriation movement is gaining serious momentum as CFOs finally see the true long-term costs versus the initial promises.

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  • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The cloud is often more expensive though.

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• socialsecurity@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  in house IT got fucking lazy or not funded properly likely both

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• kevincox@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah, it is very important to consider how dependant you are on third parties. At the very least the more dependence the more power they have over you. But also how screwed you are if they just go under.

  • If you use SaaS they can interrupt your use at any time and you can only react (for example demanding a reversal or lawsuits).
  • If you host closed source software they can’t interrupt service on an existing contract but can legally require you to stop using it if they don’t renew the contract. (And if the company goes under you can likely get away with using the software as long as it doesn’t need code fixes.)
  • If the software is open source you can continue using the software indefinitely including making code fixes. (Maintenance may be expensive as it is now your problem but that can be costed and an exit plan made if required.)

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