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LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• pyre@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i don’t get why people… well, men… get so bent up over this. I’m a man and yeah seeing a post you want to comment on but seeing a rule that excludes you is a bit annoying but like who cares.

  is an askreddit/asklemmy post an echo chamber if it starts with “botanists of reddit/lemmy” and if the rules forced only botanists to reply? ridiculous.

  my input is not needed anywhere, let alone everywhere… i can suck it up and let one community go and do its thing without the grace of my comments.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A core part of my values is not excluding people for attributes they were born with. If they’re an asshole, they should be excluded regardless of gender or anything else. I’d feel the same way if it were any other born characteristic being excluded.

    It’s like when I see a cybertruck - I disapprove of the driver’s choices, but they had every right to make them.

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    • sprite0@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m allowed to disapprove, and they’re allowed to run the community as they wish.

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  • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Let’s take your example a little bit further than some plants.

    I see a community that only allows asians or white people to comment, and actively deletes any comments with any name that even semi looks like a “black username” or a “latino username”.

    Would you not call that out as being, well, an echo chamber?

    “sorry, pyre, your comment was deleted as this is a whites only community. :)”

    It’s just not a good look, or something I want to see here on an open source platform. :/

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “why is gay pride ok but white pride bad?” can’t believe I’m having these conversations in the year of our lord current year

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      • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, no. I think you’re just not listening to what I’m saying, and I don’t really have a better way to get it across to you right now.

        Have a good rest of your day!

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• TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Right… Because a man’s opinion is the only thing needed to stop the echo chamber.

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  • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not at all. People’s opinions don’t mean much anyway, hell not even my own!

    If you want a safe space on a public forum, then I highly recommend just making it private.

    I have literally seen them delete someone’s comment because they ASSUMED the commenter was a man, when they were in the process of transitioning to a women. This led to the person being very confused, and probably feeling like the community wasn’t welcoming to trans people. Being so heavy handed with the way they mod their safe space has probably alienated more people than they welcomed.

    I just think it’s a crappy way to handle things, whether it be men or women. If I ever stumble into a mens only community that is as bad as WomensStuff, I will be sure to say the same thing.

    Have a good rest of your day!

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    • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Making it private limits visibility. Lemmy has a lot of men on it. A private women’s only space would be hard to find.

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      • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I understand the challenges of that, and the challenges of having a safe space for women (hopefully of all spectrums…), but the way they handle it now is just bad and shouldn’t be encouraged.

        If I was a woman transitioning into a man, would I still be welcome? I have the experiences that some women have had, but since I am becoming a man, then does that mean I can only comment in other communities now?

        It’s just not a good way to handle things, I’m sorry.

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  • Darth_Lemmy@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    where did they say a man’s opinion would remove the echo chamber?

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      when they said it’s an echo chamber based on the fact that men are discouraged from posting.

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      • Darth_Lemmy@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        no they just said “yay an echo chamber” where does it say something about men? maybe I’m blind

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    • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Subtext is a difficult concept.

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      • Darth_Lemmy@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        you head cannoned your own subtext doofus. all they said was “yay echo chambers”

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• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Every other community is an echo chamber full of men. So leave women their space.

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  • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just think of Dull Mens Club and how they allow anyone to post there.

    The problem with WomensStuff is how heavy handed they are with not allowing anyone who isn’t specific enough to post and comment there. Posting, I totally understand. Removing comments the way they do just rubs me so wrong. It’s just not a good look.

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    • Badabinski@kbin.earth ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Comments are the primary form of interaction on link aggregation sites. Most mod actions are performed against comments, not posts. The other way makes more sense to me, but who would want to post and then be unable to respond?

      I feel that women should have an easily discovered place where they can talk about shit that is difficult to talk about online. Having the community show up in the All feed is the very best way to make it discoverable.

      Like, if it's that important, there could be a !WomensStuffOpen that mirrors the other community but is open to comments from men. That feels fair and inclusive without taking away from women having a space for themselves.

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      • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        See, I feel like everyone isn’t actually paying attention to what I am saying.

        What I am saying is that these types of communities, where only one group can participate in actual conversation, IS an echo chamber.

        It’s like if there was a misogynistic community, where only the most vile of men would want to be, where they only hear bad things about women and say bad things about women.

        I’m almost certain that that would be frowned upon by normal men/women/people.

        Andrew Tate is a very well known douchebag who literally operates in and on an echo chamber…

        Really, it’s just not a good look and that’s all I really have to say. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way (not just you, in general) but I will stand by what I said and this: echo chambers, where only one group can initiate and interact, are kind of ruining the whole reason a lot of us left Reddit.

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  • dil@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    no community is blocking women from posting/commenting tho

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  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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