Don´t you wish for (young) people to develop good values…
Sounds like a fucking dog whistle for sure. Get off lemmy.
Comment on Steam Users Rally Behind Anti-Censorship Petition
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
After reading the article on gamerant.com and looking at the petition, I really wonder if actually so many people are delusional and/or are just missing the core point here?! (Or it is just a small crowd with much noise?) IMHO, there are better places in the world to engage and petition for. (Local communities and regional politics, for example.) But if banning that little “funny” child incest game on Steam puts you up the tree, well, …
Are you really that offended? And why, on point? How in the world can you defend publishing (and selling) games - mostly targeted at young folks - which are quite disturbing, derangend and morally wrong in the name of “freedom” or “independence”? And call that blatantly censorship, when there are instead public guidelines by Steam and their partners? Don´t you wish for (young) people to develop good values instead of becoming delusional with child pornography, incest, violence, gore and such? What are your values here?
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
“Dog whistle”? Like for right wing talk? That is not what I am or what I mean. What is wrong about developing values? Being supportive to people is one value or finding moral standards, for example. That’s what I talk about.
kieron115@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Oh, interesting! I know the poem. But I find it a harsh comparison to the situation about Valve’s new regulation. And I did not see it as such a highly-charged political topic. But apparently it is. To me it does not look like “a monolitic corporation”, as you can still buy games elsewhere. But I surely see the influence that the big banks/transactors have on Valve here. - But would you limit this? Any technical solutions? On the other hand, if Valve would have implemented stricter rules for critical games themselves earlier, we would not have that problem/discussion now. (Please also see my other answer below.)
kieron115@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
To be clear, I’m talking primarily about Visa and Mastercard, the payment processors, not Valve. Those two companies have a pretty big stranglehold on the payment processing industry outside of possibly east Asia? I heard japan has their own payment processor, I assume it isn’t limited to just Japan.
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Ok, yes. They are quite “heavy-wheight”. And I might agree with their action now, but maybe another time it might be problematic for me. Also, that’s how Capitalism works: The one with the money decide. But then, we should put pressure on them and not Valve! And the question remains: How would you solve that technically? (This is what the community is about. And I am looking for solutions, not problems here.)
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
An ml account wanting to have private companies decide what people are able to see and what not.
Guess you just want to live in an authoritarian world no matter who’s ruling
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
What does my account origin has to do with that? Please explain. No, I don’t want to live in an authoritarian world. But I appreciate businesses following certain moral standards, like banning child porn in every aspect.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Why not enforce these standards through legislation, then? Doesn’t the world’s payment processor, a political body you can’t appeal to when it fucks up, seem a bit heavy-handed?
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
You’ve got some good points here! These standards are usually enforced by law, just Valve/Steam is extremly liberal on his marketplace. But I fully agree, then the other bodies do not need to interfere, especially when they are so hard to be checked.
cosmo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It isn’t about the actual games being targeted. It’s everything about the implications of having a private company dictate what content I can buy with my own money. If they cave to lobby group once, they will do it again. Next time it might be something you care about instead.
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Alright, I understand your point. But I only partially agree with it. Hear me out: You want a free marketplace to buy whatever you wish, without any dictations? - But any market or shops you can think of has some regulations and dependencies, right? The one who offers the platform dictates what and how it is traded, as far as it has been. And even more if banks or transaction processors are involved, who also have a say. Not ideal, I agree, but the norm. How do you want to technically solve this? By their own transaction service, like some suggest here? Not sure if that helps, because you might create a new monopoly.
And at the same time, we discuss this here, people demand transparency and environmently responsability for all the delivery chains. Like for clothing or food. - Is that not what happens here? The banks as part of the service chain are pushing Valve to implement stricter rulings about critical content. For me, that looks like what people would ask for. Correct me, if I am wrong.
kieron115@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
I think people are mostly upset about some bank telling them how they are allowed to spend their money (by restricting what is available for sale). What if those big banks decide that, say, R-rated movies are too much of a liability for them and demand retailers stop carrying them? I’m not sure what an alternative would be, but allowing a bank to decide what you can spend your money on is a bad precedent given that everyone is basically required to have a bank account these days.
cosmo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s dictated by the law in my country. It’s either legal or it isn’t. VISA doesn’t need to meddle. I have to follow the law, and so do they. We don’t need arbitrary whims on top of that.
Vroomfondel@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
@cosmo@lemmy.world, you have solid good points here! - Yes, the laws are democratically set and don’t need extra intereference by VISA, Mastercard or else. It is just my opinion that Valve has been very liberal on his marketplace and not removing critical content themselves. I think, that is what led to the interference in addtion to lobbyist behind the payment processors.
Yeah, my comparison was flawed. But I got the idea across. Right, the transaction process is not transparent, especially not without publishing the “hatelist”. - Especially good point here with the ethical aspect! There seems to be some double standard by VISA etc. about what is acceptable and what is not. I disagree with that, of course, as I still believe in ethical values also when consuming games. ;-) So enjoy you porn game, als long as it has legal themes.
Actually, I am convinced. The article was bad and confused my inital kowledge about the issue. But thank you all for the (mostly) civil discussion. The petition unfortunately is outside my jurisdiction, so I can not sign. But I will keep an eye on the topic.